The Four Archetypes of the Mature Masculine: The Magician

by Brett on November 28, 2011 · 33 comments

in A Man's Life, On Manhood

This is the fifth part of a series on the archetypes of mature masculinity based on the book King, Warrior, Magician, Lover by Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette. If you haven’t already, I highly recommend reading the introduction to the series first. Also, keep in mind that these posts are a little more esoteric than our normal fare, and are meant to be contemplated and thoughtfully reflected upon.

Many a boy goes through a magic phase growing up. He learns a few card tricks, and maybe goes down to the local magic store to browse for more elaborate tricks. Even just entering the store is a little thrilling, as is showing off newly learned tricks to one’s family and friends.

Most men outgrow their magic hobby, although not necessarily their fascination with the art. But even the professional ranks of magicians are dominated by men.

So why are men so drawn to magic?

The masculine attraction to magic can be traced to something much deeper than the ability to pull a rabbit out of a hat. Rather, it is rooted in what the magician’s abilities represent–the power that comes from the mastery of a secret knowledge and the ability to use that knowledge to manipulate tools in order to control certain elements and produce desired outcomes. The yearning to harness and possess that power is what fuels the Magician archetype, an energy that every man should seek, whether or not he ever hopes to saw a lady in half.

The Characteristics of the Magician in His Fullness

Intellectually Curious/The Holder of Hidden Knowledge

As Moore puts it, “The Magician is the knower.” What does he know? “Secret and hidden knowledge of all kinds.” While this kind of knowledge sounds very esoteric, and it can be, Moore is simply referring to any kind of knowledge that is “not immediately apparent or commonsensical.” It is knowledge you learn in degrees, its mastery takes great effort and diligence, and the reward is to be able to dwell in a realm that the average man does not have access to. Moore argues that:

“All knowledge that takes special training to acquire is the province of the Magician energy. Whether you are an apprentice training to become a master electrician and unraveling the mysteries of high voltage; or a medical student, grinding away night and day, studying the secrets of the human body and using available technologies to help your patients; or a would-be stockbroker or a student of high finance; or a trainee in one of the psychoanalytic schools, you are in exactly the same position as the apprentice shaman or witch doctor in tribal societies. You are spending large amounts of time, energy, and money in order to be initiated into rarefied realms of secret power. You are undergoing an ordeal testing your capacities to become a master of this power. And, as is true in all initiations, there is no guarantee of success.”

As you go about your studies or the day-to-day duties of your profession, you probably don’t feel like you’re acting in a “realm of secret power.” But take a step back and consider it—whether it’s how to set a bone or repair a carburetor, you probably can do things that to others are completely obscure and shrouded in mystery.

A Master of Technology

Nikola Tesla

A few months ago I bought an iPad. I love it. The first time I swiped across its screen, I felt like I was using some sort of magic gazing mirror that granted me access to an infinite amount of knowledge right at my fingertips. One minute I can be reading a biography of Winston Churchill and the next I can be watching a free video lecture about Churchill on YouTube. The iPad, along with other tablet devices, are great examples of science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke’s third rule: “any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

And indeed, the Magician is a  “master of technology.” When men learn the secret knowledge of how the world works, and use that knowledge to harness its laws, energies, and forces in order to manipulate them into practical tools and systems, they’re accessing Magician energy. Inventors, scientists, and just simple tinkerers are examples of “masters of technology. It’s funny how we often imbue our most famous inventors and creators with almost supernatural qualities. Newspapers dubbed Thomas Edison “The Wizard of Menlo Park,” legends sprouted up about Nikola Tesla and his power over electricity, and recent obituaries about Steve Jobs would often refer to his creations as almost magical.

Becoming a master of technology doesn’t require that we invent a device like the iPad. Instead, we simply need to create. There’s a concept in the Western esoteric tradition of Hermeticism that the goal of man should be to live the principle of: “as above, so below.” It’s sort of similar to Christ’s admonition in the Lord’s prayer to “make on earth as it is in heaven.”  Several interpretations exist as to the meaning of “as above, so below,” but the interpretation that I like is that it means making our amorphous thoughts, imaginations, and dreams a reality. In order to accomplish this, we must use all the knowledge and tools at our disposal. In short, we must become masters of technology.


The Warrior is the archetype of action. But he gets his marching orders from the Magician. This is the energy that powers healthy introspection. When you’re facing a tough decision, your deliberations on which course to take are powered by the Magician. His power comes from thoughtful reflection and meditation; the Magician is like an excellent chess player; the more he experiences and studies, the more he is able to see life like a chess board, envision all the possible moves, and predict with good accuracy where those moves will lead. This ability also generates a man’s hunches and gut feelings and the spontaneous decisions he makes in a time of crisis.


In today’s society, information has been greatly democratized, and people expect everything there is to be known to be available to every person. If you tell someone that certain knowledge is sacred, secret, or just too advanced for them to understand, they’re typically deeply offended and automatically assume that you’re up to something suspicious. But great teachers throughout history understood that knowledge and truth must be taught “precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little.”  Effective learning must be done in degrees–each advancement is earned by the mastery of the previous step. Each concept builds on the other, until a person has acquired perfect knowledge.

Those who try to jump into the deep end without first learning to swim can drown. For that reason, men accessing Magician energy are reticent about the knowledge they possess, only sharing it with the earnest student who continually proves he is a worthy of the knowledge he seeks.

Alchemist of Life

The alchemists of antiquity sought to find a way to turn the baser elements into gold. And this inclination to turn a sow’s ear into a purse is a vital current in the Magician’s stream of energy. When the Magician archetype is integrated into a man, he looks for ways to turn disappointing situations and setbacks into opportunities to learn, grow, and become a better man.

Spiritual Mediator

As Moore puts it, the Magician “understands the link between the unseen world of the spirits–the Divine World–and the world of human beings and nature.” As the mediator between these worlds, the Magician has the ability to explain complicated spiritual ideas in ways others can easily grasp. If you’ve ever talked to a friend who used a simple metaphor to resolve your doubts, that was the Magician energy at work.

Initiation and the Modern Obstacle to Accessing Magician Energy

There are two main roles that the energy of the Magician flow through—the initiate and the initiator. Or in the other words, the mentee and the mentor.

As we just discussed, Magician energy drives us to obtain hidden knowledge. But contrary to the popular adage about professional magicians—that they never reveal their tricks—a man truly animated by the mature Magician archetype is eager to turn around and share what he has learned with others. He desires to elevate the serious and earnest seeker to his level.

This is why the lack of magician energy in modern culture is really at the heart of the issues many men are having today. There is a lack of mature men who have made a rite-of-passage themselves available to initiate other men into the “secret knowledge” of manhood. Dads and granddads, uncles and cousins, used to teach their sons and other young men how to act, dress, and behave like a man. But a lot of men have grown up without such a mentor these days and thus feel lost, directionless, and adrift.

This is not only true when it comes to being initiated into manhood, however, but also applies to a man’s professional path as well. For the most part, gone are the days of guilds and intimate apprenticeships, and trade schools have fallen in popularity. Men are in fierce competition with each other and are looking out only for themselves, thus there is often no one willing to initiate a man into his vocation. It is telling that apprenticeships have been replaced by internships; instead of getting initiated into the job, interns are made to do the undesirable grunt work of others and then cut loose when their temporary stint is up.

That many men have an unfulfilled hunger for initiation into some kind of secret knowledge can be evidenced by the soaring popularity of pick-up and seduction artists who promise, for a few hundred or thousand dollars, to teach initiates the secrets to scoring lots of ladies. And a lot of guys who can’t find mentors otherwise are willing to pony up big time dough to hire them. On the surface, the popularity of the PUA movement is due simply to the desire to want to be great at picking up chicks, but I think it’s really a manifestation of this deeper hunger to be initiated into a secret realm, to have knowledge that others don’t. And actually you see this kind of language used in a lot of PUA forums—people talk about the different levels of knowledge you gain, and how only 10% of people who study the subject ever really understand it, etc.

I know a few guys that have gotten something out of some of these classes and books. Mainly, they’re learning basic social skills they just didn’t pick up as kids. However, I don’t think young men can fully satiate their hunger for initiation into manhood in the pick-up artist scene for a few reasons.

First, most PUA gurus are nothing more than internet marketing hucksters that prey on a young man’s sexual insecurity  in order to make a buck. Instead of being in touch with positive Magician energy, many PUA coaches are possessed with the Magician’s shadow, the Manipulator. The initiation into manhood that these gurus offer lacks the gravitas and depth of an initiation from men who have fully developed the mature masculine within themselves.

Second, the manliness of PUA devotees is constantly defined in the context of women–they are consumed with thinking about women– how they think, how they can be manipulated, how to talk to them, where to meet them, and so on. But manhood is not about women. Look at any great man of the past–none of them made women their main focus. Instead, they concentrated on mastering a more significant subject of hidden knowledge, one which created a real and lasting legacy for them.  Their success then naturally attracted women to them, without the need for any special gimmicks.

The Shadows of the Magician Archetype

The Detached Manipulator

The Magician in his fullness desires to initiate other men into his knowledge, bringing them up from degree to degree so that they can become better and happier men. The Manipulator Shadow poses as the Magician in his fullness–he teases would-be initiates with the prospect of learning his secrets, but he does not give them all his knowledge. He withholds things from them in order to feed both his pride and his pocketbook. Shadow Manipulators charge their seekers a ton of money with the promise that the student can become just like them, but don’t give away the real secrets to doing that, and especially the secret that they often can’t become just like them, because their own success was due to x,y, or z factor that won’t happen to anyone else.

The internet has created an army of Shadow Manipulators. Everywhere you look there are hucksters promising you the secrets to bedding women, losing weight, making money online…if you’ll only buy their $200 eBook.

Shadow manipulators play a prominent role on our cultural stage as well. Wall Street bankers, politicians, ad agencies, and media pundits are all absolute experts in getting a following by sharing some of the story, but not all of it.

Another aspect of the Manipulator is his cynical detachment from other people. I see this Shadow in guys too often. They’re the ones who, when confronted with their inability to commit to anything, be passionate about anything, or enjoy any pleasures in life, will retort with “The unexamined life is not worth living.” Moore summarizes this man’s issues very well:

“This is the man who thinks too much, who stands back from his life and never lives it. He is caught in a web of pros and cons about his decisions and lost in a labyrinth of reflective meanderings from which he cannot extricate himself. He is afraid to live, to ‘leap into battle.’ He can only sit on his rock and think. The years pass. He wonders where the time has gone. And he ends by regretting a life of sterility. He is a voyeur, an armchair adventurer. In the world of academia, he is a hairsplitter. In the fear of making the wrong decision, he makes none. In his fear of living, he also cannot participate in the joy and pleasure that other people experience in their lived lives. If he is withholding from others, and not sharing what he knows, he eventually feels isolated and lonely. To the extent that he has hurt others with his knowledge and technology—in whatever field and in whatever way—by cutting himself off from living relatedness with other human beings, he has cut off his own soul.”

The Innocent One

The Innocent One is the passive pole of the bi-polar shadow. A man possessed by the Innocent One shadow wants all the power, glory, and status that comes with harnessing the Magician archetype in his fullness, but he isn’t willing to put in the work or take on the responsibility that said power, glory, and status requires. They see another man doing something really cool, and decide they want to do it too. These are guys who get super excited about a new hobby, or faith, or career path–their excitement is absolutely coursing through them–but after the easy part has passed (coming up with the name of the band, buying a skateboard, designing the start-up’s logo), they realize how much “dead work” is required to get really good at the cool thing, and they give up.  Men haunted by the shadow of the Innocent One want to be millionaires, but aren’t willing to toil and work years to achieve it. They want to play guitar like Django Reinhardt, but they give up guitar lessons after just a few weeks. They want to be spiritual, but without all that prayer, meditation, and scripture study business.

But the Innocent One’s shadow behavior doesn’t stop there. Because a man in touch with the Innocent One can never attain or achieve his goals because of laziness, he doesn’t want others to achieve their goals and ambitions either. He becomes a stumbling block to others simply out of envy. A man possessed by the Innocent One begrudges the success of others and does all that he can to diminish it. Theodore Roosevelt despised this type of man. To him, a man possessed by the Innocent One was “one of those cold and timid souls, who know neither victory nor defeat.”

How to Access the Magician Archetype

  • Commit to lifelong learning
  • Meditate
  • Create more, consume less.
  • Work with your hands.
  • Take part in a rite of passage
  • Find a mentor
  • Become a mentor
  • Join a Fraternal organization like the Freemasons or Knights of Columbus
  • Carve out a sacred space in your life. This is, in my opinion, the biggest key to accessing the Magician archetype. In the life of the modern man, there is no line between the sacred and the profane. But if you want access to the insights, energies, and ideas that exist on a plane above that of your ordinary, day-to-day life, then you need an entryway to that higher realm. Sacred space is that gateway. Carve out a ritual for yourself, a time or a physical space where you are not interrupted, where others are not privy to what you think about. Maybe it’s listening to Bach in your study after the kids go to bed. Maybe it’s finding a special, secluded grove in the park where you go to think. Maybe it’s a morning walk in the woods. Maybe it’s going to morning weekday Mass without your family. Whatever it is, draw a line around it and make it sacred in your life.

The Four Archetypes of the Mature Masculine:
The Boyhood Archetypes – Part I
The Boyhood Archetypes – Part II
The Lover
The Warrior
The Magician
The King

{ 33 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Anonymous November 29, 2011 at 12:26 am

I’d say that Theodore Roosevelt would say the same about the Manipulator being one of those “Cold and timid souls” due to them never wanting to risk.

2 L November 29, 2011 at 4:13 am

Awesome article! It has touched me as I believe I have the potential to be a magician though cursed with some elements of the shadow archetypes. Probably one of the first articles I’ve ever commented on.


3 mikeramsey November 29, 2011 at 7:03 am

I “liked” AOM because of manly articles, like how to survive in the wild with a pocketknife, and similar articles. I have read a few of these Four Archetypes articles, and this is the least manly of the bunch. There is nothing “magical” about being a man, and this particular segment removes any lingering desire on my part to read the book. Manipulation is the most unmanly art.

4 T. Sullivan November 29, 2011 at 8:28 am

mikeramsey, have you bothered reading the article at all ? I’ll give you a clue: “The Shadows of the Magician Archetype – The Detached Manipulator”

5 J Rancourt November 29, 2011 at 8:40 am

Fantastically inspiring article. If I could quote dialogue used often by JK Rowling, ~Absolutely Brilliant!! Thank you, sincerely.

6 John W. November 29, 2011 at 8:45 am

I think this is actually your best post in this series, Brett. I identify with the Magician more than the other archetypes that you’ve described so far. I really liked the “precept on precept, . . .” quote from Isaiah. The context of that passage with this post is brilliant.

7 Victor Quesada November 29, 2011 at 9:12 am

I really like the summaries of the shadows, and the emphasis on mentorship and sacred space/time.

I feel like I have been stuck with the Innocent for too long, thinking of reasons why something someone else proposes does not work, based on my limited knowledge of the subject at hand. I spent much of my life learning without putting those lessons into practice.

Really paying attention to mentors and being a mentor to others in turn is a great way to serve a wider community, and energize yourself. I also find having a 40 minute to one hour walk each morning is a great way to clear my head, see the fall colors (or winter snows as they are sure to be soon) and bring my mind to bear on the tasks of the day.

8 Rado November 29, 2011 at 11:45 am

I would like to point one thing out. The quote given at the end:
“The unexamined life is not worth living.”
Is attributed to Socrates and it does not mean examined as in tried everything. It refers to the examination of ones believes, feelings, priories, etc (It is more of an intellectual examination rather than doing anything you see, in fact Socrates would have been offended at such misquotation). I am only pointing this out because the quote means so much more but it was never mentioned.

Ref: Dialogues of Plato

9 Jake November 29, 2011 at 12:17 pm


There are so many thought provoked from this article that takling about them could possibly warrant a whole new article of discussion on each one. But when the dust settles, you are what you’re made out of. Simple, but elegant.

Victor- I’ve given and heard that “this is why it won’t work” story a lot in my time and, eventually it turned into “I’ll cross that bridge if I get there.”

10 Owen Marcus November 29, 2011 at 12:55 pm

This is a thorough post on an often misunderstood archetype. As you point out the Magician is the one who not only sees what others don’t see, he is able to use his alchemy to create what others can’t. He doesn’t do it by reading the books. He does it by exploring realms others don’t travel into. Be it Tesla ‘inventing’ technologies to this day aren’t fully understood or the shaman who heals the incurable; the magician may be banished for his special abilities.
I started my life mastering the shadow aspects of this archetype as a covert manipulator always pretending to be innocent. It wasn’t until I meant one of my teachers, Nelita Anderson a Medical Kahuna form the Big Island of Hawaii that I began to shift my dark skills to better uses.

This woman was a shaman’s shaman. I personally witness on many occasions miracles at her hands. She never claimed any credit for what occurred. She always attributed it to her ancestors. As many magicians she was a trickster. Many years ago during one of annual trips to the Big Island’s active heiau (temple) she took me into the exclusive section of the heiau to do a healing on my heart.

Thanks to the ceremony I went from life threatening heart symptoms to virtually never having any symptoms. It was as if I had open heart surgery lying on the grass mat over the lava rocks. My chronic tiredness gradually left… she saved my life. That is the highest order of magic I have ever seen.

I my 35 year journey there were other ceremonies I witness and personally experiences that change others and my life in ways that exceed any rational explanation. Just witnessing one of these ceremonies activates your Magician. When you fist hand experience the magic from realms that most would say doesn’t exist – you can’t go back to that normal reality. Without knowing it you are sent on a quest to find your magic.

This archetype is the most misunderstood and least taught. As men we need to teach each other and our sons what it is to a magician in the light. We need to let go of our dark mastery to risk learning something much more powerful and certainly more beneficial.

It’s not about becoming shamans. It’s about finding your own unique magic that was repressed by others. It might be a denied artistic ability or a passion to work with kids. Often your powers as a magicians lie in the pains of your past. Traveling into that dark past if it doesn’t require a mentor, it is certainly easier and quicker with one.

I pursue this passion through teaching men to lead powerful men’s groups. Something magical happens when you have a room of committed men supporting each other in their greatness. What one man doesn’t know, the collective of the group does. Over the course of a year men discover their magic. It’s a courageous journey… but is there any other option?

11 Wade November 29, 2011 at 2:47 pm

This particular article really hit something on the head, in my opinion. I initially came to this website just a few days ago in part because of the lack of ‘rites’ and mentoring when it comes to growing into a man and I’ve felt something lacking in my young adult life. I even considered a few weeks ago, and am still considering, the Freemasons, as was also addressed here. To be more succinct, thank you for addressing these issues!

12 Dajov November 29, 2011 at 3:54 pm

i think, the shadow magician cause all kind of disasters in the actual society, examples? the people that moves the strings of all the pupets, like the people behind the FMI.

13 Matt Geverola November 29, 2011 at 7:46 pm

Great article. it saddens me to see close friends possessed by the innocent child child shadow. I like how this article points out that the magician in bis fullness shares his knowledge to those worthy. I love this blog !

14 Derek November 29, 2011 at 10:00 pm

Brett, this series is terrific and I hope you know that. Thank you.

15 Gaurav M November 30, 2011 at 2:00 am

like the line
“The internet has created an army of Shadow Manipulators”

16 RichardC November 30, 2011 at 5:34 am

I’m a fan of what this site offers young men, what it offers people of all ages. It’s very value focused, and teaches good principals, but don’t bunch Socrates in with the manipulators. I agree with what your saying but I think that was the incorrect quote to use.

17 Jacek November 30, 2011 at 3:22 pm

Like all the other parts of this subject – explorative in straight and clear way! I’ve found them just when I was about to get crazy; now at least I know where do I stand in my inner world… and unfortunately this are not the pyramid top places.
Keep going with good job!

18 JoshuaHaderach November 30, 2011 at 8:38 pm

Is it from the source book that a Magician is a master of technology?
As that is too denigrating and exclusionary to the other areas of special knowledge like Literature or other fields in the Liberal Arts. Which by nature have parallels to the other aspects mentioned in the article. As technology has gained such exclusive prominence only recently and your later definition is an awkward attempt to make “technology” into an overly broad concept.

19 Adrian December 1, 2011 at 12:59 am


I think you’re missunderstanding what the world “technology”. Technology is not referred to IPads or Computers or Lasers or Videogames or any modern electric device. That’s just the modern meaning of technology.

Technology is all those things that help humanity understand, categorize, and preserve everything in the universe.

20 Niebo December 1, 2011 at 8:25 pm

Great work!

21 Aurelious December 1, 2011 at 10:23 pm

This has been a very intriguing read. I have always considered myself close to the Magician archetype (I read tarot cards and study spirituality and esoterica) and I have enjoyed seeing those aspects in articles. I have eagerly awaited this one.

Sadly, I find myself recognizing the Innocent One in me. There are so many things I can think of that I want to do, so many starter kits I own but I never go through and stay with it. I’ve picked up archery, meditation, hypnosis and reiki and have not put forth any of the “dead work” to flourish in any of those things. Although I cannot say the part where I block others out of envy is present, I enjoy seeing others flourish and obtain what it is they are seeking.

I’m going to have to work hard at turning those starter kits into mastery kits. Thanks again!

22 Jameson December 2, 2011 at 8:42 pm

As I was reading I kept connecting this back to dance. I’ve been studying tango for about six years now (as well as other styles). Being able to move yourself and someone else in such a connected way is, “knowledge you learn in degrees, its mastery takes great effort and diligence, and the reward is to be able to dwell in a realm that the average man does not have access to.” It is also not something that I can share in a few hours. I could teach some tango, but only to someone who makes a long commitment to study, “the earnest student who continually proves he is a worthy of the knowledge he seeks”. I can teach someone else who knows how to tango a certain pattern or move in a short while, because they have already shown the commitment through their previous knowledge and study. Or I could make arrangements with someone to meet once a week and teach, learn, and practice; we would both have to be in it for a long haul.

And dancing is magic.

23 Kenny December 4, 2011 at 8:10 am

Brilliant article Brett. I have always been interested in magic since an early age, then a few years ago started buying a few magic tricks. Your article wants me to become a full time professional magician!!!

24 Ethan December 6, 2011 at 12:53 pm

I think C.S. Lewis is a great example of a man who exhibited characteristics of the Magician archetype. He was a man who said perfectly what many others wanted to say but were unable, who rendered simple some of the deepest mysteries of the cosmos, who saw no problem so serious that thinking couldn’t help it.

25 Cole Bradburn December 7, 2011 at 1:08 pm

Maturing in this archetype reminds me of what you wrote in the beginning of Manvotionals: “A child is self-centered, fearful, and dependent. An adult is bold, courageous, respectful, independent, and of service to others.” Maturation doesn’t mean that a man lets go of his curiosity and sense of wonder, for they will serve him well throughout his life. His perspective merely changes from being egocentric. Thanks for the post.

26 mike December 8, 2011 at 5:53 pm

this resonated with me. ever since i was a boy magicians have held a fascination for me. that make me realise that life is magic and you have to keep moving forward!

27 Joe December 10, 2011 at 10:52 am

Very good article on the concept of mature masculinity. I have read the four book series, King, Warrior, Magician, Lover by Robert Moore and Douglas Gillette. I would strongly recommend them to those who wish to explore these concepts in more detail. More and Gillette raise these archetypes for us see and their shadows as dangerous paths which are to be avoided. Perfect attainment of these all these goals is is not realistic but following the path to them is the challenge. Also some men may have greater success in one or more of these archetypes but should never avoid making efforts in all.


28 Tj December 10, 2011 at 12:31 pm

As the retiring master of a Masonic lodge this year, I have actually used and properly sited your website in several trestleboards (newsletters) for my lodge. The spiritual and esoteric nature of Freemasonry has attracted many new members. It is also attracting many new members because of technology–the cyber connections one makes online do not have the true mentorship, friendship and brotherly love as does a physical fraternity. For those interested in Freemasonry, please know that yu will not be asked to join, you must ask. In many cases, yu must ask 3 times.

It is a fufilling journey to be a mason, just be prepared for taking a life long journey, it is slow and intricate.

On a side note…absolutely love this blog!

29 Mr.A December 20, 2011 at 7:25 pm

Brett!!! I’m itching to read the last of the series, how’s about an early Christmas present?
I’m sure you’ve been working on it for some time now, polishing it and refining the last of it – or so I hope, since you’ve been posting other things like avalanche safety (which is of course useful over the winter season).

Anyways, just though I’d chime in and try to get a response out of you, great work so far – but I’m sure you know that already.
Merry Christmas Brett & Kate!

30 Mojo Master September 30, 2012 at 3:40 am

Your writing is at the heart of what we do -thank you for a great blog!

Mark the Mojo Master

31 Alonsovg October 5, 2012 at 8:17 pm

I am really liking this articles. This one was hard to read, because I realized I am “the innocent one”… I need to start working harder and change some things in my life. I am glad this website exists.

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33 Andreas Ahrlund February 13, 2014 at 4:08 pm

“one which created a real and lasting legacy for them. Their success then naturally attracted women to them, without the need for any special gimmicks.”

Id say success is also a type of gimmick, if thats your only plan to get ladies. So go PUA if you think your relationship life is lacking, you dont have to make it your focus anyways, just dont put your life into being a tryhard if you just want a girl- careers and passions should stand on their own, women are a separate thing.

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