{"id":67315,"date":"2017-10-17T10:28:02","date_gmt":"2017-10-17T15:28:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/?p=67315"},"modified":"2026-10-08T08:50:36","modified_gmt":"2026-10-08T13:50:36","slug":"podcast-348-code-trust","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/leadership\/podcast-348-code-trust\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast #348: A Counterintelligence Expert&#8217;s Five Rules to Lead and Succeed"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Trust. It certainly makes life easier when it exists. Instead of having to craft complicated contracts for a business deal, a simple handshake will do. Instead of surveilling your spouse like the NSA, you take them at their word.<\/p>\n<p>But trust, it seems, is in short supply these days. We\u2019re afraid of trusting people and we have a hard time getting people to trust us. How can you establish trust in even the most toxic environments?<\/p>\n<p>My guest today thinks he has the answer to that question. His name is Robin Dreeke, and he&#8217;s spent his career working in a field where trust is hard to get but important to have \u2014 doing counterintelligence for the FBI. Robin\u2019s recently published a book sharing how he has been able to gain the trust of people who aren\u2019t very keen on trusting others. It\u2019s called <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B01MR6ZBOI\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B01MR6ZBOI&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=stucosuccess&amp;linkId=FSXA3GZUT5SFDAZ4\"><i>The Code of Trust<\/i><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Today on the show, Robin shares the five rules of building trust with anyone \u2014 no matter how suspicious they are of you. 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