{"id":65240,"date":"2017-07-18T10:17:31","date_gmt":"2017-07-18T15:17:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/?p=65240"},"modified":"2026-10-08T20:26:06","modified_gmt":"2026-10-09T01:26:06","slug":"podcast-322-common-success-advice-gets-wrong","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/self-improvement\/podcast-322-common-success-advice-gets-wrong\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast #322: Why Everything You Know About Success Is (Mostly) Wrong"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>We all know those collective maxims on success: nice guys finish last; it\u2019s not what you know, it\u2019s who you know; winners never quit.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019ve heard them so often that we accept them as articles of faith.<\/p>\n<p>But are they really true?<\/p>\n<p>My guest today&nbsp;says, yes\u2026and no.<\/p>\n<p>His name is Eric Barker and he\u2019s the author of one of the few blogs I regularly read: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bakadesuyo.com\/\">Barking Up the Wrong Tree<\/a>. There, he takes a look at what actual research says about these tried-and-true maxims of success and provides a nuanced, often counterintuitive look at them. He\u2019s recently taken some of his best writing from 8 years at the blog, expanded on it, and turned it into <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B01KT104RI\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=B01KT104RI&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=stucosuccess&amp;linkId=FSXA3GZUT5SFDAZ4\">a book by the same name<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Today on the show, Eric and I discuss why most of the ideas we have about success are wrong and what we can do to be better advice sleuths. Eric shares research that shows why high school valedictorians are less likely to become millionaires or influential leaders, and what that teaches us on the importance of knowing ourselves. He then breaks down the idea that nice guys always finish last, and how it\u2019s both true and false at the same time. We then discuss why grit can sometimes be overrated and why winners in fact always quit. We end our conversation discussing why being a glad-handing extrovert can both garner success and sew the seeds of failure, and how the idea of work\/life balance is making people more miserable than ever, as well as what you can do about it.<\/p>\n<p>Lots of fascinating tidbits in this show that you can implement right away to improve your life. Plenty of great cocktail party fodder as well.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We all know those collective maxims on success: nice guys finish last; it\u2019s not what you know, it\u2019s who you know; winners never quit. We\u2019ve heard them so often that we accept them as articles of faith. But are they really true? My guest today&nbsp;says, yes\u2026and no. 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