{"id":56987,"date":"2016-06-03T16:33:59","date_gmt":"2016-06-03T21:33:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/?p=56987"},"modified":"2026-10-20T12:59:15","modified_gmt":"2026-10-20T17:59:15","slug":"podcast-206-extreme-ownership","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/leadership\/podcast-206-extreme-ownership\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast #206: Extreme Ownership"},"content":{"rendered":"

We live in a time of extreme complexity and uncertainty. In order to stay competitive in the business world, you’re constantly having to adapt and change. As a leader in this environment, you’re often forced to make decisions when you don’t have all the information that you need.<\/p>\n

Yet the complexity and uncertainty of the marketplace doesn’t compare to that of war. On the battlefield, things happen fast and officers and soldiers on the ground have to make life or death decisions in a matter of seconds. How do they do it? And is there anything that civilians can learn from members of the military on how to lead and make better decisions in a fast-changing environment?<\/p>\n

My guest today has written a book on this very topic. His name is Jocko Willink, and he’s a retired Navy SEAL officer who not only led a SEAL team during the Battle of Ramadi but also developed a leadership training program for the SEALs. He now spends his time teaching business executives the battle-tested leadership skills that helped him during his time in combat. Jocko has distilled these leadership lessons in his book Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n

Today on the show, Jocko and I discuss what extreme ownership is and why every leader needs to develop it, how to plan and make decisions in uncertain environments, and why discipline equals freedom. If you’re a leader in any capacity, you’re going to get a lot out of this show. It’s a kick in the pants.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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