{"id":193881,"date":"2026-06-16T09:26:28","date_gmt":"2026-06-16T14:26:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/?p=193881"},"modified":"2026-06-16T09:26:28","modified_gmt":"2026-06-16T14:26:28","slug":"podcast-1121-belonging-without-conforming-the-path-from-pseudo-self-to-solid-self","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/self-improvement\/podcast-1121-belonging-without-conforming-the-path-from-pseudo-self-to-solid-self\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast #1,121: Belonging Without Conforming \u2014 The Path From Pseudo Self to Solid Self"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"art19-web-player awp-medium awp-theme-dark-blue\" data-episode-id=\"2ebc89a9-1dcb-4b95-ae9d-06cf79aab53e\">&nbsp;<\/div>\n<p>We all want two things that can seem at odds with each other: to be our own person and to belong. We want to stand apart from the crowd, but we also want to be connected to it. When that balance gets out of whack, we either lose ourselves in tribalism or drift into isolation.<\/p>\n<p>My guest today says many of the problems in modern life stem from our inability to hold these two impulses in tension. His name is Luke Burgis, and he&#8217;s the author of <a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4gkf5dx\"><em>The One and the 99: Forging Identity in the Age of Social Contagion<\/em><\/a>. Today on the show, Luke explains how becoming a true individual can give you the strength to be a part of a community. We discuss the difference between a solid self and a pseudo self \u2014 and what role families and rites of passage can play in moving us toward one or the other \u2014 why modern politics feels like a dysfunctional family, the dangers of performative religion, and much more.<\/p>\n<h3>Resources Related to the Podcast<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>Luke&#8217;s previous appearances&nbsp;on the AoM podcast:\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/behavior\/podcast-714-why-do-we-want-what-we-want\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/behavior\/podcast-714-why-do-we-want-what-we-want\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2EccDakE9jLttT-ljsmfyq\">Episode #714: Why Do We Want What We Want?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/behavior\/thick-desires-anti-mimetic-life\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/behavior\/thick-desires-anti-mimetic-life\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0G9qbGHO99qsu2kUaehmpC\">Episode #910: Thick Desires, Political Atheism, and Living an Anti-Mimetic Life<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4uSnhpI\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/amzn.to\/4uSnhpI&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw30A806GlfaqyrsfLVY9OEj\"><i>The True Believer<\/i>&nbsp;by Eric Hoffer<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4xeRcdr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/amzn.to\/4xeRcdr&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1Gc6oP5DdeXvTlX8p2WUqD\"><i>Education of a Wandering Man<\/i>&nbsp;by Louis L&#8217;Amour<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/living\/reading\/podcast-1025-the-life-and-legacy-of-louis-lamour\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/living\/reading\/podcast-1025-the-life-and-legacy-of-louis-lamour\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0k9Ebfm6aZW1t8Wwr5Lvjy\">AoM Podcast #1,025: The Life and Legacy of Louis L\u2019Amour<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/strength\/fitness\/l-amour-workout\/\">AoM article with L&#8217;Amour&#8217;s weekly to-do lists<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/manly-lessons\/men-without-chests\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/manly-lessons\/men-without-chests\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2YTk9HTn2kTuganuyl3mHy\">AoM article and podcast about C.S. Lewis&#8217;&nbsp;<i>The Abolition of Man<\/i>&nbsp;and the idea of objective value<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4frdWAB\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/amzn.to\/4frdWAB&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2dV3JaG9GoGqmdimG9iegN\"><i>The Courage to Be<\/i>&nbsp;by Paul Tillich<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/43R2A1x\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/amzn.to\/43R2A1x&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0jCbFHEuKXtU5NV6uEKMf5\"><i>The Quest for Community<\/i>&nbsp;by Robert Nisbet<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/behavior\/podcast-847-overdoing-democracy\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/behavior\/podcast-847-overdoing-democracy\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1eUaCi1B7X144RE8Thr60K\">AoM Podcast #847: Overdoing Democracy<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/social\/social-skills\/podcast-1010-how-to-resist-group-anxiety-and-become-a-differentiated-self\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/social\/social-skills\/podcast-1010-how-to-resist-group-anxiety-and-become-a-differentiated-self\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw02EpPNT2huypoLJXSvGgnX\">AoM Podcast #1,010: How to Resist Group Anxiety and Become a Differentiated Self<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/leadership\/becoming-a-well-differentiated-leader\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/leadership\/becoming-a-well-differentiated-leader\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1qPYGchM97Q4XCaRHOhpjW\">AoM Article: Becoming a Well-Differentiated Leader<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.dyingbreed.net\/p\/a-new-kind-of-monasticism-the-power\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.dyingbreed.net\/p\/a-new-kind-of-monasticism-the-power&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1dyaP0y9f2C3cSOrlQQoRX\">Dying Breed article: A New Kind of Monasticism \u2014 The Power of Community to Shape the Soul<\/a><\/li>\n<li><i><a href=\"https:\/\/www.solesmes.com\/sites\/default\/files\/upload\/pdf\/rule_of_st_benedict.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/www.solesmes.com\/sites\/default\/files\/upload\/pdf\/rule_of_st_benedict.pdf&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2oIMjdYhAHzRqWCLPcx-Bk\">The Rule of St. Benedict<\/a><\/i><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3><b>Connect With Luke Burgis<\/b><\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/lukeburgis.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/lukeburgis.com\/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1781526420613000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0qvFC0IVX6YOpC-YMpRkbR\">Luke&#8217;s website<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/amzn.to\/4gkf5dx\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-193883\" src=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2026\/06\/81QT03igY8L._SL1500_.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"325\" height=\"494\" srcset=\"https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2026\/06\/81QT03igY8L._SL1500_.jpg 325w, https:\/\/content.artofmanliness.com\/uploads\/2026\/06\/81QT03igY8L._SL1500_-320x486.jpg 320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 325px) 100vw, 325px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<h3>Listen to the Podcast! 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