{"id":105107,"date":"2021-11-24T11:59:50","date_gmt":"2021-11-24T17:59:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/?p=105107"},"modified":"2026-09-24T20:18:53","modified_gmt":"2026-09-25T01:18:53","slug":"david-brooks-second-mountain","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.artofmanliness.com\/character\/self-improvement\/david-brooks-second-mountain\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcast #518: The Quest for a Moral Life"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Do you ever feel like you&#8217;re spinning your existential wheels in life? That outwardly, you seem to be doing ok, but inwardly, you feel kind of empty?&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>My guest today would say that you&#8217;ve got to move on from trekking up life&#8217;s first&nbsp;mountain, to begin a journey up its second. His name is David Brooks and he\u2019s the author of&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0812993268\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0812993268&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=stucosuccess&amp;linkId=FSXA3GZUT5SFDAZ4\"><em>The Second&nbsp;Mountain: The Quest for a Moral Life<\/em><\/a>. In that book, David makes the case that there are two mountains that we climb in life: The first is about the self \u2014 getting a college degree, starting a career, buying a home, and making your mark on the world. But at some point, that mountain starts to feel unfulfilling. That\u2019s when we discover there\u2019s a second mountain to ascend \u2014 a path of selflessness, relationships, and greater meaning.&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Today on the show, David tells us what he got wrong in his previous book,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/0812983416\/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0812983416&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;tag=stucosuccess&amp;linkId=FSXA3GZUT5SFDAZ4\"><em>The Road to Character<\/em><\/a>,&nbsp;and how&nbsp;<em>The Second&nbsp;Mountain<\/em> expands the vision of the good life. We then discuss why the first&nbsp;mountain&nbsp;of life gets more attention in the West and how the hyper individualism it encourages has led to an increase in loneliness, anxiety, and existential angst. David then walks us through how we shift course from the first&nbsp;mountain&nbsp;of achievement to the second&nbsp;mountain&nbsp;of meaning by making commitments to things outside of ourselves. We then discuss the four commitments he thinks bring us real meaning and significance, and how we can seek and find them.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Do you ever feel like you&#8217;re spinning your existential wheels in life? That outwardly, you seem to be doing ok, but inwardly, you feel kind of empty?&nbsp; My guest today would say that you&#8217;ve got to move on from trekking up life&#8217;s first&nbsp;mountain, to begin a journey up its second. 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