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	<title>Comments on: Your First African Safari: An Adventure Within Your Reach</title>
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		<title>By: Tito West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tito West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those of you interested in planning a safari, please feel free to shoot me an email. I design safaris tailored to fit each individual client&#039;s needs and would be happy to help you plan a trip. I spent a little over a year working all of over Southern Africa (South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Zambia) as an apprentice professional hunter. I return to Africa yearly in order to continue my apprenticeship and help lead hunts. When back in the states, my time is devoted to arranging safaris for clients.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you interested in planning a safari, please feel free to shoot me an email. I design safaris tailored to fit each individual client&#8217;s needs and would be happy to help you plan a trip. I spent a little over a year working all of over Southern Africa (South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Zambia) as an apprentice professional hunter. I return to Africa yearly in order to continue my apprenticeship and help lead hunts. When back in the states, my time is devoted to arranging safaris for clients.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Garner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Garner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The experience of hunting cannot ever be explained to a non-hunter. As most of us motorcycle riders say, &quot;If I have to explain, you would not understand.&quot; The benefits of hunting are too numerous to mention in this short space, and the simple fact that controlled hunting in Africa and in the USA has actually increased most of the animal population will never be understood or believed by a non-hunter. If you are a hunter, the thrill and challenge of hunting in Africa is well beyond anything imaginable. I have hunted in Wyoming and throughout the South, and nothing compares to Africa. The best part is you do not have to be an experienced hunter to hunt in Africa. Most of the guide services will design a trip to fit your hunting exerience. For example, I was an inexperienced and rather new deer hunter when I went on my first trip to Africa. I had been a bird hunter most of my life, and I was very nervous and anxious about hunting in Africa. The trip turned out to be one of the most truly incredible experiences of my life. So much so that I went back the second time. Regardless of whether you hunt with a gun or a camera, Africa is a wonderful trip and is easier and more affordable than you may think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The experience of hunting cannot ever be explained to a non-hunter. As most of us motorcycle riders say, &#8220;If I have to explain, you would not understand.&#8221; The benefits of hunting are too numerous to mention in this short space, and the simple fact that controlled hunting in Africa and in the USA has actually increased most of the animal population will never be understood or believed by a non-hunter. If you are a hunter, the thrill and challenge of hunting in Africa is well beyond anything imaginable. I have hunted in Wyoming and throughout the South, and nothing compares to Africa. The best part is you do not have to be an experienced hunter to hunt in Africa. Most of the guide services will design a trip to fit your hunting exerience. For example, I was an inexperienced and rather new deer hunter when I went on my first trip to Africa. I had been a bird hunter most of my life, and I was very nervous and anxious about hunting in Africa. The trip turned out to be one of the most truly incredible experiences of my life. So much so that I went back the second time. Regardless of whether you hunt with a gun or a camera, Africa is a wonderful trip and is easier and more affordable than you may think.</p>
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		<title>By: Atwater Village Newbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atwater Village Newbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shooting at helpless animals is just about the least manly thing you can do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shooting at helpless animals is just about the least manly thing you can do.</p>
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		<title>By: N G</title>
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		<dc:creator>N G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 04:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course other conservation efforts should be made first. You can&#039;t hunt an animal in its native habitat if there&#039;s no habitat left. But as the author notes, there are places in Africa where elephants are OVERpopulated. There are breeding preserves that will give you an elephant for free if you can transport it to someplace you can feed it. It costs $65,000 to relocate a single grey wolf in North America. Can you imagine what it costs to move an elephant herd?

After an animal has sired several dozen cubs/calves over the years, the tens of thousands of dollars from his trophy fee will go a long way in preserving his progeny&#039;s habitat so they&#039;re around for people to take pictures of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course other conservation efforts should be made first. You can&#8217;t hunt an animal in its native habitat if there&#8217;s no habitat left. But as the author notes, there are places in Africa where elephants are OVERpopulated. There are breeding preserves that will give you an elephant for free if you can transport it to someplace you can feed it. It costs $65,000 to relocate a single grey wolf in North America. Can you imagine what it costs to move an elephant herd?</p>
<p>After an animal has sired several dozen cubs/calves over the years, the tens of thousands of dollars from his trophy fee will go a long way in preserving his progeny&#8217;s habitat so they&#8217;re around for people to take pictures of.</p>
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		<title>By: elmo iscariot</title>
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		<dc:creator>elmo iscariot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very proud of the editors of AoM for running this article, when they must have suspected the backlash from a segment of their readers.  Very manly indeed, gentlemen.  Keep up the good work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very proud of the editors of AoM for running this article, when they must have suspected the backlash from a segment of their readers.  Very manly indeed, gentlemen.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zach:

Are you prepared to tell some desperately poor African trying to feed his kids that he cannot be a hide skinner because you think trophy hunting is unethical and irresponsible?

It personally doesn&#039;t appeal to me, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s right to tell somebody to adopt my moral code, ethics, religion etc. Those are personal decisions that shouldn&#039;t be the sole basis for a public policy that affects everyone.

The facts are pretty plain. Photo safaris help create local revenue and jobs in Africa. Hunting helps a bit more, plus it helps maintain habitat that would otherwise turn into farming. Is that so wrong?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach:</p>
<p>Are you prepared to tell some desperately poor African trying to feed his kids that he cannot be a hide skinner because you think trophy hunting is unethical and irresponsible?</p>
<p>It personally doesn&#8217;t appeal to me, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s right to tell somebody to adopt my moral code, ethics, religion etc. Those are personal decisions that shouldn&#8217;t be the sole basis for a public policy that affects everyone.</p>
<p>The facts are pretty plain. Photo safaris help create local revenue and jobs in Africa. Hunting helps a bit more, plus it helps maintain habitat that would otherwise turn into farming. Is that so wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[N G, 

The WWF makes it quite clear in the article you reference that, &quot;WWF urges that for threatened or endangered species, all other conservation incentives and activities be fully explored before considering hunting them for trophies.&quot;

I think a concerted strategy of economic development for rural areas combined with alternative conservation approaches (other than trophy hunting) for endangered species is a better approach.  

The argument that trophy hunting provides jobs in the form of trackers, skinners, etc. is not a valid argument by itself.  There are plenty of other jobs that have become obsolete due to progress (think telegraph operator or milkman); I see no reason why &quot;elephant hide skinner&quot; shouldn&#039;t be added to that list.  

My point is that it is unethical and an irresponsible action as stewards of our natural resources for future generations to hunt, as trophies, animals that are threatened or endangered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N G, </p>
<p>The WWF makes it quite clear in the article you reference that, &#8220;WWF urges that for threatened or endangered species, all other conservation incentives and activities be fully explored before considering hunting them for trophies.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think a concerted strategy of economic development for rural areas combined with alternative conservation approaches (other than trophy hunting) for endangered species is a better approach.  </p>
<p>The argument that trophy hunting provides jobs in the form of trackers, skinners, etc. is not a valid argument by itself.  There are plenty of other jobs that have become obsolete due to progress (think telegraph operator or milkman); I see no reason why &#8220;elephant hide skinner&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t be added to that list.  </p>
<p>My point is that it is unethical and an irresponsible action as stewards of our natural resources for future generations to hunt, as trophies, animals that are threatened or endangered.</p>
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		<title>By: N G</title>
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		<dc:creator>N G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, your quote of the article would indicate that there is a case for both industries to exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, your quote of the article would indicate that there is a case for both industries to exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I left out the section number, which is 4.6.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I left out the section number, which is 4.6.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 23:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Scott:

It is true that hunters spend much more per person than photographers on safari. It&#039;s also true that hunting enhances conservation in areas where photo safaris can&#039;t or won&#039;t go. Hunting&#039;s overall impact in Africa seems positive.

However, the assertion that total revenue from hunting is greater than for photography is incorrect. I found the following in an even-handed academic study in 2006. The study supports much of what you wrote -- except for the total revenue claim (sorry for the long link).

Biological Observation
http://www.africanwildlifeconservationfund.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Economic-and-conservation-significance.pdf

“Photographic ecotourism undoubtedly generates greater gross revenues than trophy hunting in Africa, and where large numbers of tourists visit, employment opportunities for local people can be higher than from hunting. For example, Tanzanian National Parks receive US$11 million/year from photo- graphic tourism just from the Serengeti and Ngorongoro Conservation Area, whereas the Tanzanian Wildlife Division receives only US$10.5 million/year from hunting throughout Tanzania (Thirgood et al., 2006). However, hunting revenues are significant because they enable wildlife production to be a viable land use across a wider range of land uses than would be possible relying on revenues from photographic ecotour- ism.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry if it seems I&#039;m belaboring a point, but I couldn&#039;t let it rest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Scott:</p>
<p>It is true that hunters spend much more per person than photographers on safari. It&#8217;s also true that hunting enhances conservation in areas where photo safaris can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t go. Hunting&#8217;s overall impact in Africa seems positive.</p>
<p>However, the assertion that total revenue from hunting is greater than for photography is incorrect. I found the following in an even-handed academic study in 2006. The study supports much of what you wrote &#8212; except for the total revenue claim (sorry for the long link).</p>
<p>Biological Observation<br />
<a href="http://www.africanwildlifeconservationfund.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Economic-and-conservation-significance.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.africanwildlifeconservationfund.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Economic-and-conservation-significance.pdf</a></p>
<p>“Photographic ecotourism undoubtedly generates greater gross revenues than trophy hunting in Africa, and where large numbers of tourists visit, employment opportunities for local people can be higher than from hunting. For example, Tanzanian National Parks receive US$11 million/year from photo- graphic tourism just from the Serengeti and Ngorongoro Conservation Area, whereas the Tanzanian Wildlife Division receives only US$10.5 million/year from hunting throughout Tanzania (Thirgood et al., 2006). However, hunting revenues are significant because they enable wildlife production to be a viable land use across a wider range of land uses than would be possible relying on revenues from photographic ecotour- ism.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if it seems I&#8217;m belaboring a point, but I couldn&#8217;t let it rest.</p>
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