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	<title>Comments on: Take the Navy SEAL Underwater Knot Tying Test</title>
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		<title>By: SN</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/07/26/navy-seal-knot-tying-tes/comment-page-1/#comment-329802</link>
		<dc:creator>SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Knot tying is a good skill and discipline for anyone to masters. Armchair quarterbacking who is an elite operator and who isn&#039;t is ridiculous. Caleb, feel free to join me in the pool anytime, and I&#039;ll show you what the difference is between tying a knot - and Water confidence knot tying.

The purpose of the knots are not the knots themselves, but rather fine motor skills while in a hypoxic state. Controlling panic and relaxing while executing a slow, smooth task is the requirement. When I did my pool training (different school, same umbrella), our knots were square, Girth hitch with an extra turn, Bowline, Clove hitch, and Double Fisherman&#039;s knots.

Every dive team learns knots that are important for their specific mission (i.e. rescue vs demo vs salvage/repair). Also, the reason it is difficult to make it happen is because you are treading water with your hands over your head to &quot;show your ropes&quot; prior to being &quot;allowed&quot; to go subsurface and execute the knots. I never had the benefit of a mask, and DID have the benefit of some MilSpec chlorine pool water. 

Did anyone else wonder why the Crossfit shirt guy was so skinny? Maybe less kipping pullups and more meat would help. SN]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knot tying is a good skill and discipline for anyone to masters. Armchair quarterbacking who is an elite operator and who isn&#8217;t is ridiculous. Caleb, feel free to join me in the pool anytime, and I&#8217;ll show you what the difference is between tying a knot &#8211; and Water confidence knot tying.</p>
<p>The purpose of the knots are not the knots themselves, but rather fine motor skills while in a hypoxic state. Controlling panic and relaxing while executing a slow, smooth task is the requirement. When I did my pool training (different school, same umbrella), our knots were square, Girth hitch with an extra turn, Bowline, Clove hitch, and Double Fisherman&#8217;s knots.</p>
<p>Every dive team learns knots that are important for their specific mission (i.e. rescue vs demo vs salvage/repair). Also, the reason it is difficult to make it happen is because you are treading water with your hands over your head to &#8220;show your ropes&#8221; prior to being &#8220;allowed&#8221; to go subsurface and execute the knots. I never had the benefit of a mask, and DID have the benefit of some MilSpec chlorine pool water. </p>
<p>Did anyone else wonder why the Crossfit shirt guy was so skinny? Maybe less kipping pullups and more meat would help. SN</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 05:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahhh.... This takes me back to being 21 on Coronado. Good but miserable times. I remember hoping fences into condo complexes to use their pools to practice these on our days off from training. And yes, it&#039;s a pronounced &quot;Bo-Lin&quot; even though it is spelled Bowline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh&#8230;. This takes me back to being 21 on Coronado. Good but miserable times. I remember hoping fences into condo complexes to use their pools to practice these on our days off from training. And yes, it&#8217;s a pronounced &#8220;Bo-Lin&#8221; even though it is spelled Bowline.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your assumption of how to pronounce &quot;bowline&quot; is incorrect. I will refer you to Mr. Webster [ http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowline?show=0&amp;t=1352783917 ]. I am retired from the US Navy, and in all of my 60 years of living have never heard it pronounced your way. Ask a US Navy Seal to pronounce it for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your assumption of how to pronounce &#8220;bowline&#8221; is incorrect. I will refer you to Mr. Webster [ <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowline?show=0&#038;t=1352783917" rel="nofollow">http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bowline?show=0&#038;t=1352783917</a> ]. I am retired from the US Navy, and in all of my 60 years of living have never heard it pronounced your way. Ask a US Navy Seal to pronounce it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Try doing this without sleeping for a few days and after your body has been overworked to the point of complete mental exhaustion. Dexterity is lost making tying a simple bowline really difficult]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try doing this without sleeping for a few days and after your body has been overworked to the point of complete mental exhaustion. Dexterity is lost making tying a simple bowline really difficult</p>
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		<title>By: drbitboya</title>
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		<dc:creator>drbitboya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These guys have my deepest respect, too.  

I am pretty sure I could do all these on one breath underwater (and blindfolded and behind my back) on my own, and I&#039;ve also done them under the (relatively mild) stress of sailing competition.  But I suspect it would take several tries, if at all, to do even one under the stress described.  

Thanks for the new name for the Right Angle; I learned it as Rolling Hitch but also as the Taught Line hitch where it is used to tie a line back along itself.  It is used when the strain is along the trunk.  Also, it is more secure when the second wrap (hitch) is wedged between the first hitch and the standing part.

The Becket Bend and the Bowline are the same knot:  a loop (where the line crosses itself) and a bight (where the line reverses direction but does not cross itself).  The Square Knot is two bights.  I learned the name Carrick Bend for joining two loops.

A Double Sheet Bend has the loop do a second wrap around the bight, similar to the difference between the Clove Hitch and the Right Angle.  

The Square Knot should be used only when the two lines are the same.  The Becket (or Sheet) Bend can be used when they are the same but must be used when they differ; the bight should be  stiffer (typically larger diameter) line of the two and the loop the less stiff line.

Minor nit:  the six-inch tails don&#039;t keep water from getting into the cord (it must get into the card at the ends of the tails).  It keeps water from getting to the *functional* part of the assembly i.e. to the knot that is part of what will burn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys have my deepest respect, too.  </p>
<p>I am pretty sure I could do all these on one breath underwater (and blindfolded and behind my back) on my own, and I&#8217;ve also done them under the (relatively mild) stress of sailing competition.  But I suspect it would take several tries, if at all, to do even one under the stress described.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the new name for the Right Angle; I learned it as Rolling Hitch but also as the Taught Line hitch where it is used to tie a line back along itself.  It is used when the strain is along the trunk.  Also, it is more secure when the second wrap (hitch) is wedged between the first hitch and the standing part.</p>
<p>The Becket Bend and the Bowline are the same knot:  a loop (where the line crosses itself) and a bight (where the line reverses direction but does not cross itself).  The Square Knot is two bights.  I learned the name Carrick Bend for joining two loops.</p>
<p>A Double Sheet Bend has the loop do a second wrap around the bight, similar to the difference between the Clove Hitch and the Right Angle.  </p>
<p>The Square Knot should be used only when the two lines are the same.  The Becket (or Sheet) Bend can be used when they are the same but must be used when they differ; the bight should be  stiffer (typically larger diameter) line of the two and the loop the less stiff line.</p>
<p>Minor nit:  the six-inch tails don&#8217;t keep water from getting into the cord (it must get into the card at the ends of the tails).  It keeps water from getting to the *functional* part of the assembly i.e. to the knot that is part of what will burn.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I learned those knots as a cub scout (not underwater). It was very helpful to already know them when I was in the Navy, as a diver, and later as a Firefighter. As A FF, we used to practice tying them while wearing heavy fire gloves, then later doing it blind-folded. That was stressful enough without holding your breath. 

As Beenthere said, it&#039;s not as simple as it may sound. there&#039;s a lot more happening leading up to that type of evalution. The primary goal is to maintain your composure under stress while doing an otherwise simple task. Any 8 y/o can be taught to tie a knot. Being able to do it when the instructors artificially jack up the stress levels is where the difference lies.

I was not a SEAL or SF member. I did some tough training, but nothing compared to those guys. I have had the priviledge to call several of them friends, and my son is training to be among them (God willing). I have the utmost respect for those guys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I learned those knots as a cub scout (not underwater). It was very helpful to already know them when I was in the Navy, as a diver, and later as a Firefighter. As A FF, we used to practice tying them while wearing heavy fire gloves, then later doing it blind-folded. That was stressful enough without holding your breath. </p>
<p>As Beenthere said, it&#8217;s not as simple as it may sound. there&#8217;s a lot more happening leading up to that type of evalution. The primary goal is to maintain your composure under stress while doing an otherwise simple task. Any 8 y/o can be taught to tie a knot. Being able to do it when the instructors artificially jack up the stress levels is where the difference lies.</p>
<p>I was not a SEAL or SF member. I did some tough training, but nothing compared to those guys. I have had the priviledge to call several of them friends, and my son is training to be among them (God willing). I have the utmost respect for those guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2012 17:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading this post I felt a little...knotty.

If you want to spend a day with a rope and a good book, I suggest Ashley&#039;s Book of Knots. ~3000 knots, their history, their uses, and how to tie them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this post I felt a little&#8230;knotty.</p>
<p>If you want to spend a day with a rope and a good book, I suggest Ashley&#8217;s Book of Knots. ~3000 knots, their history, their uses, and how to tie them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Asher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Asher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These are all good basic knots that everyone should know.  They come in handy securing a load in the back of a pickup as well as the other uses mentioned above.  I tie the one-handed bowline pretty often as I am a competitive sailor and usually perform bowman duties.  I&#039;ve taught pioneering for the boy scouts in the last few years and knots are a hobby for me.  I carry 10 feet of cord in my briefcase and practice knots when I&#039;m bored or between meetings sometimes.  The TSA has never had a problem with the cord going through a checkpoint at an airport either.
I haven&#039;t tried it, but all 5 on a single breath should be pretty easy, event without goggles or a mask.  Not sure about the SEAL test conditions though.  That sounds a lot worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all good basic knots that everyone should know.  They come in handy securing a load in the back of a pickup as well as the other uses mentioned above.  I tie the one-handed bowline pretty often as I am a competitive sailor and usually perform bowman duties.  I&#8217;ve taught pioneering for the boy scouts in the last few years and knots are a hobby for me.  I carry 10 feet of cord in my briefcase and practice knots when I&#8217;m bored or between meetings sometimes.  The TSA has never had a problem with the cord going through a checkpoint at an airport either.<br />
I haven&#8217;t tried it, but all 5 on a single breath should be pretty easy, event without goggles or a mask.  Not sure about the SEAL test conditions though.  That sounds a lot worse.</p>
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		<title>By: LPB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LPB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 17:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ooooh, watch out the C.A.L.E.B. Team. Nobody thinks they&#039;re much good at anything that would harass or kill the enemy, but if you ever get into a knot-tying contest with them, you&#039;ll be sorry!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooooh, watch out the C.A.L.E.B. Team. Nobody thinks they&#8217;re much good at anything that would harass or kill the enemy, but if you ever get into a knot-tying contest with them, you&#8217;ll be sorry!</p>
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		<title>By: LPB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LPB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There, there, caleb. Let me try to ease your diminished expectations.

I think we all probably know that IF you led a &quot;premiere combat team&quot; (instead of just teaching people how to tie knots), the knot tying test in the basic course would be infinitely more difficult than this.

I&#039;m almost certain that you would &quot;drop&quot; a guy who could run, shoot, swim, and paddle with the best of them if couldn&#039;t execute a perfect jury mast knot (and no, I don&#039;t care what the English would call that) on one breath, and that&#039;s after braiding his own line out of filament threads.  

Talk about &quot;knot&quot; being able to see the forest for the trees...(eyeroll and walk away).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There, there, caleb. Let me try to ease your diminished expectations.</p>
<p>I think we all probably know that IF you led a &#8220;premiere combat team&#8221; (instead of just teaching people how to tie knots), the knot tying test in the basic course would be infinitely more difficult than this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m almost certain that you would &#8220;drop&#8221; a guy who could run, shoot, swim, and paddle with the best of them if couldn&#8217;t execute a perfect jury mast knot (and no, I don&#8217;t care what the English would call that) on one breath, and that&#8217;s after braiding his own line out of filament threads.  </p>
<p>Talk about &#8220;knot&#8221; being able to see the forest for the trees&#8230;(eyeroll and walk away).</p>
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