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	<title>Comments on: Manvotional: The Cardinal Virtues &#8212; Justice</title>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/04/07/manvotional-the-cardinal-virtues-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-215359</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to add to the third paragraph about seeing acquaintances as people and not things. 

This can also be applied to our outlook of not only to the lowly and meek as emphasized but also to the superior. In the military, if a high ranking official were to walk into the room, its best to &quot;see&quot; them as a person, not as a golden calf, and also not with contempt because they are superior in rank structure. This will lessen insincere flattery and unreasonable disdain. 

I&#039;ve seen both and their equally nauseating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to add to the third paragraph about seeing acquaintances as people and not things. </p>
<p>This can also be applied to our outlook of not only to the lowly and meek as emphasized but also to the superior. In the military, if a high ranking official were to walk into the room, its best to &#8220;see&#8221; them as a person, not as a golden calf, and also not with contempt because they are superior in rank structure. This will lessen insincere flattery and unreasonable disdain. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen both and their equally nauseating.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Society&quot;
What an abstract word.
Years ago &quot;society&quot; said a dark man was not allowed on my towns streets after dark.
Now &quot;society&quot; says all can be.
I think society is an emotional child that can be manipulated with candy and punishments]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Society&#8221;<br />
What an abstract word.<br />
Years ago &#8220;society&#8221; said a dark man was not allowed on my towns streets after dark.<br />
Now &#8220;society&#8221; says all can be.<br />
I think society is an emotional child that can be manipulated with candy and punishments</p>
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		<title>By: Ralmon</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/04/07/manvotional-the-cardinal-virtues-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-214666</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I will make some explanation to my view.

For one, society has many meanings. For example Western society are the group of people of western culture. Furry a group of people who are very very fond of furries (anthropomorphic animals). Even an ethnic group, a mobster, a basketball team, or a group of children can be called a society. Just as long as this group of humans has relationship with the group and have duties to the group. It also means that one could be a member of many kind of societies.

Then think if you are a member of say a polygamist society, or a cult, or terrorist. This &quot;societies&quot; have interest that is not exactly for the good of the individual of the society. The people in the society just believed it is so.

For me, justice is not about our interest or the societies interest or anybodies interest. For me justice is about equality, of fairness, of being just. The opposite of it would be unfair or unjust. There would be no justice if one is treated better than the other just because that person is rich and/or famous. It would be unjust if a woman is treated less respect that a man because of her sex. It would also be against the virtue of justice if a person is treated unfairly just because he is Black.

In my view of justice, I agree with Brian, Justice is the application of the Golden Rule. The justice that is presented in this article, for me, is false.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I will make some explanation to my view.</p>
<p>For one, society has many meanings. For example Western society are the group of people of western culture. Furry a group of people who are very very fond of furries (anthropomorphic animals). Even an ethnic group, a mobster, a basketball team, or a group of children can be called a society. Just as long as this group of humans has relationship with the group and have duties to the group. It also means that one could be a member of many kind of societies.</p>
<p>Then think if you are a member of say a polygamist society, or a cult, or terrorist. This &#8220;societies&#8221; have interest that is not exactly for the good of the individual of the society. The people in the society just believed it is so.</p>
<p>For me, justice is not about our interest or the societies interest or anybodies interest. For me justice is about equality, of fairness, of being just. The opposite of it would be unfair or unjust. There would be no justice if one is treated better than the other just because that person is rich and/or famous. It would be unjust if a woman is treated less respect that a man because of her sex. It would also be against the virtue of justice if a person is treated unfairly just because he is Black.</p>
<p>In my view of justice, I agree with Brian, Justice is the application of the Golden Rule. The justice that is presented in this article, for me, is false.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/04/07/manvotional-the-cardinal-virtues-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-214464</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 01:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Justice requires the subordination of the interests of the individual to the interests of society, and the persons who constitute society; in the same way that wisdom requires the subordination of particular desires to the permanent interests of the whole individual to whom they belong.&quot;

I think a key point is in the concept of &quot;the persons who constitute society&quot; and the following sentence.

An abuse of the individuals at the gain of society comes when leaders or groups put society not as a working of individuals but as a working of groups.  Class warfare is a mode of this injustice in my belief.  To say that a group is society instead of individuals leads people to think that one must take or exploit the lesser or evil group to uplift the greater or righteous group.  This leads to the exploitation of the individual.

This is the out working of selfishness and the dishonesty described in the article.  I do believe that the idea of a person giving their rights up for a society is not the key to this article but something that is preached against in this article.  Some may use language similar to exploit the individual for their own gain.  This is where wisdom and the ideas of justice must assist us.

As Jesus said, be as gentle as lambs and as shrewd as serpents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Justice requires the subordination of the interests of the individual to the interests of society, and the persons who constitute society; in the same way that wisdom requires the subordination of particular desires to the permanent interests of the whole individual to whom they belong.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think a key point is in the concept of &#8220;the persons who constitute society&#8221; and the following sentence.</p>
<p>An abuse of the individuals at the gain of society comes when leaders or groups put society not as a working of individuals but as a working of groups.  Class warfare is a mode of this injustice in my belief.  To say that a group is society instead of individuals leads people to think that one must take or exploit the lesser or evil group to uplift the greater or righteous group.  This leads to the exploitation of the individual.</p>
<p>This is the out working of selfishness and the dishonesty described in the article.  I do believe that the idea of a person giving their rights up for a society is not the key to this article but something that is preached against in this article.  Some may use language similar to exploit the individual for their own gain.  This is where wisdom and the ideas of justice must assist us.</p>
<p>As Jesus said, be as gentle as lambs and as shrewd as serpents.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is only one true application of justice. It is the Golden Rule. All other writing on the subject is done in vain, my friends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one true application of justice. It is the Golden Rule. All other writing on the subject is done in vain, my friends.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jon -  &quot;A man who refuses to consider the interests of others or society as a whole lacks justice, as explained in this passage. A man who refuses to consider the interests of himself and his family above those of society lacks wisdom. Temperence is required to moderate between these two extremes. And of course, a man needs fortitude to make the decisions he knows are right in spite of adversity.&quot;

--
Terrific. Amazingly well said, and something I think everyone should take a second and read again. Bravo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jon &#8211;  &#8220;A man who refuses to consider the interests of others or society as a whole lacks justice, as explained in this passage. A man who refuses to consider the interests of himself and his family above those of society lacks wisdom. Temperence is required to moderate between these two extremes. And of course, a man needs fortitude to make the decisions he knows are right in spite of adversity.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Terrific. Amazingly well said, and something I think everyone should take a second and read again. Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: Chase Christy</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/04/07/manvotional-the-cardinal-virtues-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-214395</link>
		<dc:creator>Chase Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My link did not work properly on my comment above.  Sorry...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My link did not work properly on my comment above.  Sorry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chase Christy</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/04/07/manvotional-the-cardinal-virtues-justice/comment-page-1/#comment-214393</link>
		<dc:creator>Chase Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honesty has fallen into gray area in our modern society.  It now has a connotation of necessity only when it does not diminish the interests of the speaker or doer.  It is time Americans take a good look at ourselves, and get back to the good old fashioned black and white right or wrong simplicity of our forefathers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honesty has fallen into gray area in our modern society.  It now has a connotation of necessity only when it does not diminish the interests of the speaker or doer.  It is time Americans take a good look at ourselves, and get back to the good old fashioned black and white right or wrong simplicity of our forefathers.</p>
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		<title>By: EssDee</title>
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		<dc:creator>EssDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 07:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Justice requires the subordination of the interests of the individual to the interests of society, and the persons who constitute society”

The wrongs done in the name of the society are not really for the benefit of society, but for the &quot;powerful, unjust people&quot; in the society. The suppression or massacre of millions did no good for German or Cambodian society, but only for Hitler and Pol Pot. These are cases when a certain individual or group have gained ascendancy over society, and represent *their* wishes, worldview, policies, etc. as representing their society. Much like the example of Napoleon in the article, they cynically manipulate the society / individuals.

What the line means that instead of acquiesing with Hitler, even supporting him, Germans, and the rest of the world, should have realised that he is no good for society, and made some serious sacrifices to get him &quot;removed&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Justice requires the subordination of the interests of the individual to the interests of society, and the persons who constitute society”</p>
<p>The wrongs done in the name of the society are not really for the benefit of society, but for the &#8220;powerful, unjust people&#8221; in the society. The suppression or massacre of millions did no good for German or Cambodian society, but only for Hitler and Pol Pot. These are cases when a certain individual or group have gained ascendancy over society, and represent *their* wishes, worldview, policies, etc. as representing their society. Much like the example of Napoleon in the article, they cynically manipulate the society / individuals.</p>
<p>What the line means that instead of acquiesing with Hitler, even supporting him, Germans, and the rest of the world, should have realised that he is no good for society, and made some serious sacrifices to get him &#8220;removed&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Lynne, Ralmon and co. 

The atrocities you mention neglect to consider some individuals as &quot;part of society&quot; and so their interests are ignored. The issue is that they are considered below &quot;society&quot;, not that they should sacrifice their individual interests for society.

Considering the politcal/capitalism spin at the end of the post and the continuing reference to class society this  considerably targeted towards managing the well being of people who operate within an economy. 

However if you apply this definition of Justice, and sprinkle in some wisdom (@Jon), you have a mighty successful society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Lynne, Ralmon and co. </p>
<p>The atrocities you mention neglect to consider some individuals as &#8220;part of society&#8221; and so their interests are ignored. The issue is that they are considered below &#8220;society&#8221;, not that they should sacrifice their individual interests for society.</p>
<p>Considering the politcal/capitalism spin at the end of the post and the continuing reference to class society this  considerably targeted towards managing the well being of people who operate within an economy. </p>
<p>However if you apply this definition of Justice, and sprinkle in some wisdom (@Jon), you have a mighty successful society.</p>
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