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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thought provoking.  Really enjoyed the comments &amp; thought processes displayed.  I face daily challenges and subscribe to motivation being internal and driven by personal desires/ aspirations/ goals etc.  We are all 100% disciplined - some in good habits that make us successful others in habits that have us where we are.  The choice is ours and as we discipline ourselves to achieve happiness and a life of significance.  Thank you for the article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought provoking.  Really enjoyed the comments &amp; thought processes displayed.  I face daily challenges and subscribe to motivation being internal and driven by personal desires/ aspirations/ goals etc.  We are all 100% disciplined &#8211; some in good habits that make us successful others in habits that have us where we are.  The choice is ours and as we discipline ourselves to achieve happiness and a life of significance.  Thank you for the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/02/26/manvotional-discipline-the-means-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-210569</link>
		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pondering such thoughts and comments was very rewarding. As men,we continue to grow ourselves. Thank you for a great article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pondering such thoughts and comments was very rewarding. As men,we continue to grow ourselves. Thank you for a great article.</p>
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		<title>By: J.</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/02/26/manvotional-discipline-the-means-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-209948</link>
		<dc:creator>J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I prepare for my Series 7. This has inspired me to keep certain things at bay while I study. Thanks AOM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I prepare for my Series 7. This has inspired me to keep certain things at bay while I study. Thanks AOM.</p>
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		<title>By: TR</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2012/02/26/manvotional-discipline-the-means-to-an-end/comment-page-1/#comment-209852</link>
		<dc:creator>TR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 04:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The character that takes command in moments of crucial choices has already been determined by a thousand other choices made earlier in seemingly unimportant moments.  It has been determined by all the ‘little’ choices of the past -- by all those times when the voice of conscience was at war with the voice of temptation, whispering the lie that ‘it really doesn’t matter.’  It has been determined by all the day-to-day decisions made when life seemed easy and crises seemed far away -- the decisions that, piece by piece, bit by bit, developed habits of discipline or of laziness; habits of self-sacrifice or self-indulgence; habits of duty and honor and integrity -- or dishonor and shame.”
								~ Ronald Reagan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The character that takes command in moments of crucial choices has already been determined by a thousand other choices made earlier in seemingly unimportant moments.  It has been determined by all the ‘little’ choices of the past &#8212; by all those times when the voice of conscience was at war with the voice of temptation, whispering the lie that ‘it really doesn’t matter.’  It has been determined by all the day-to-day decisions made when life seemed easy and crises seemed far away &#8212; the decisions that, piece by piece, bit by bit, developed habits of discipline or of laziness; habits of self-sacrifice or self-indulgence; habits of duty and honor and integrity &#8212; or dishonor and shame.”<br />
								~ Ronald Reagan</p>
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		<title>By: tinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 05:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Victor 

I believe the act of prioritizing and having trade off&#039;s is in itself Discipline no?

For me, I tell myself that I&#039;ll enjoy Saturday&#039;s night out so much more if I stay in Friday night and focus on my startup. 

Otherwise I&#039;d feel guilty of going out both nights. 

Of course you could work both nights, but I believe having a work/life balance will maximize your happiness. Plus prevent burn out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Victor </p>
<p>I believe the act of prioritizing and having trade off&#8217;s is in itself Discipline no?</p>
<p>For me, I tell myself that I&#8217;ll enjoy Saturday&#8217;s night out so much more if I stay in Friday night and focus on my startup. </p>
<p>Otherwise I&#8217;d feel guilty of going out both nights. </p>
<p>Of course you could work both nights, but I believe having a work/life balance will maximize your happiness. Plus prevent burn out.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 09:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is so inspiring, I make music myself and I had to teach and still teach everything myself. And I totally agree with the scenario you sketch here. Thank you for this read.

Excuse me for my english/american im dutch]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so inspiring, I make music myself and I had to teach and still teach everything myself. And I totally agree with the scenario you sketch here. Thank you for this read.</p>
<p>Excuse me for my english/american im dutch</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 12:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jackpot.. Good day gents, first off, great article, I must say. One can never truly know the hidden gems wait to be uncovered in the world of literature. 

I have recently started reading The Art of Manliness and have enjoyed it thoroughly. The first time I started reading I couldn&#039;t stop for about two days. Here&#039;s a Superspeed Virtual High Five to the team that slaves away to bring us such great content. 

What fascinates me is where this conversation is going. Now, I am sure most people reading this post had to be really disciplined to not read all of the comments, but hey, we all have our guilty pleasures.. :) I have become fascinated with the evolution of this particular comment section. Funny story, starting to write this comment just made me stop smoking. Ha! Inspirational. But the thing is, there are tons of reasons I can name for quitting, but for some reason I didn&#039;t have the self-discipline to make the final call. Truth be told, there are a lot of areas in my life that demand attention, I personally, try to go with the flow and take an easy approach to life, however, my personal life, my career, my love and all the little things in between have been approaching what Jonathan Fields describes as the Conversations at the crossroads of work, play, entrepeneurship &amp; life.. 

Wow.. Mind=Blown

As I have seen there are a number of topics that creep up from this article. But the one thing that is lingering on my mind is the word Discipline. I believe discipline has become a badly twisted echo of what Basil William Maturin beautifully descibes. We are disciplined in any given way from childbirth. 

&quot;You may not have dessert until you have finished your supper.&quot; A phrase I am sure most of us are all too familiar with. In essence we are raised to await some kind of reward for obtaining self-discipline. Unfortunately, I think the rewarding structures have slowly eroded away through the ages, to a watered down memory of what it was. Reward is good but we are conditioned to strive for it, and competition is intense. 

We are all striving to achieve that ultimate reward, some have a strong spiritual inclination and build their values one what they believe is to be true, organised religion is the ultimate example of reward. But then you have the monetary system, professional image, love life, worldly gain, all falling into that same concept of reward. I could really write a thesis about this, but what I am getting at is to propose a question..

Have been losing touch with the art of living? We talk of balance, but it is a very loose topic. A cat has more balance than a man because it walk on four legs. Arbitrary statement. A dog has four legs, not nearly the balance that a cat has, but yet, it finds pleasure by simply being on the ground.

Anyway, I&#039;m going to stop ranting about. Will be avidly following the comments on this one. Keep up the good work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jackpot.. Good day gents, first off, great article, I must say. One can never truly know the hidden gems wait to be uncovered in the world of literature. </p>
<p>I have recently started reading The Art of Manliness and have enjoyed it thoroughly. The first time I started reading I couldn&#8217;t stop for about two days. Here&#8217;s a Superspeed Virtual High Five to the team that slaves away to bring us such great content. </p>
<p>What fascinates me is where this conversation is going. Now, I am sure most people reading this post had to be really disciplined to not read all of the comments, but hey, we all have our guilty pleasures.. :) I have become fascinated with the evolution of this particular comment section. Funny story, starting to write this comment just made me stop smoking. Ha! Inspirational. But the thing is, there are tons of reasons I can name for quitting, but for some reason I didn&#8217;t have the self-discipline to make the final call. Truth be told, there are a lot of areas in my life that demand attention, I personally, try to go with the flow and take an easy approach to life, however, my personal life, my career, my love and all the little things in between have been approaching what Jonathan Fields describes as the Conversations at the crossroads of work, play, entrepeneurship &amp; life.. </p>
<p>Wow.. Mind=Blown</p>
<p>As I have seen there are a number of topics that creep up from this article. But the one thing that is lingering on my mind is the word Discipline. I believe discipline has become a badly twisted echo of what Basil William Maturin beautifully descibes. We are disciplined in any given way from childbirth. </p>
<p>&#8220;You may not have dessert until you have finished your supper.&#8221; A phrase I am sure most of us are all too familiar with. In essence we are raised to await some kind of reward for obtaining self-discipline. Unfortunately, I think the rewarding structures have slowly eroded away through the ages, to a watered down memory of what it was. Reward is good but we are conditioned to strive for it, and competition is intense. </p>
<p>We are all striving to achieve that ultimate reward, some have a strong spiritual inclination and build their values one what they believe is to be true, organised religion is the ultimate example of reward. But then you have the monetary system, professional image, love life, worldly gain, all falling into that same concept of reward. I could really write a thesis about this, but what I am getting at is to propose a question..</p>
<p>Have been losing touch with the art of living? We talk of balance, but it is a very loose topic. A cat has more balance than a man because it walk on four legs. Arbitrary statement. A dog has four legs, not nearly the balance that a cat has, but yet, it finds pleasure by simply being on the ground.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m going to stop ranting about. Will be avidly following the comments on this one. Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow Victor. You have no idea how much I can relate. For a moment I felt it was me who wrote your comment (except for the part of working in construction, I don&#039;t have any work). Not knowing wether to choose between future satisfaction or present joy is a big struggle I experience daily. You are not alone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Victor. You have no idea how much I can relate. For a moment I felt it was me who wrote your comment (except for the part of working in construction, I don&#8217;t have any work). Not knowing wether to choose between future satisfaction or present joy is a big struggle I experience daily. You are not alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a recent University graduate I fit into the &quot;Perfect Timing!&quot; category.

But what I specifically like is the suggestion that at first the discipline is terribly restricting and feels like it is maybe not the most valuable way to spend time.

I have a constant battle with myself on what is &#039;the best&quot; thing to do with my time. As suggested in the comments above, isnt happiness just doing what you enjoy in each moment? I do subscribe to the idea that I need to be &quot;healthy&quot; in general, a good (present) uncle, a knowledgeable citizen, a sound person that doenst rely on the &quot;easy road&quot;. 

But I admit, I regularly get stuck in a situation when I have two options; one is to be disciplined (go to the gym, crack the accountng textbook, research stocks or start a company) and the other is to be more &quot;present&quot; and enjoy the moment (go out with friends, watch the hockey game, a new movie, go on a date). The dilemma, in my mind, is that it is hard to put a value on either one. Watching the game pays dividends in a variety of ways, like being able to discuss the team with a coworker, or spendnig time with a friend, or just feeling great afterwards. Its this balance that I struggle with regularly. Probably because I cannot decide what is truly important to me (and I&#039;ve tried, have i tried). 

I have tried the life blueprint and all but I always feel like its too much of what I &quot;ought&quot; to be with no space for &quot;just going with it&quot;. But now I work construction after turning down the opportunity to earn a finance designation that leads to some of the highest paying jobs in the country, and quit my job teaching at a college earning far too much money. And I&#039;m totally ok with it. For now...

But I like the idea of an unknown destination earned by discipline. Maybe I&#039;m afraid of becoming a social goon that&#039;s ruined our politics/education/economy. Maybe I&#039;m just afraid to start my life. 

That comment was meant to be short. Instead I&#039;ll just hope someone can relate. I think this article really hit a nerve.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a recent University graduate I fit into the &#8220;Perfect Timing!&#8221; category.</p>
<p>But what I specifically like is the suggestion that at first the discipline is terribly restricting and feels like it is maybe not the most valuable way to spend time.</p>
<p>I have a constant battle with myself on what is &#8216;the best&#8221; thing to do with my time. As suggested in the comments above, isnt happiness just doing what you enjoy in each moment? I do subscribe to the idea that I need to be &#8220;healthy&#8221; in general, a good (present) uncle, a knowledgeable citizen, a sound person that doenst rely on the &#8220;easy road&#8221;. </p>
<p>But I admit, I regularly get stuck in a situation when I have two options; one is to be disciplined (go to the gym, crack the accountng textbook, research stocks or start a company) and the other is to be more &#8220;present&#8221; and enjoy the moment (go out with friends, watch the hockey game, a new movie, go on a date). The dilemma, in my mind, is that it is hard to put a value on either one. Watching the game pays dividends in a variety of ways, like being able to discuss the team with a coworker, or spendnig time with a friend, or just feeling great afterwards. Its this balance that I struggle with regularly. Probably because I cannot decide what is truly important to me (and I&#8217;ve tried, have i tried). </p>
<p>I have tried the life blueprint and all but I always feel like its too much of what I &#8220;ought&#8221; to be with no space for &#8220;just going with it&#8221;. But now I work construction after turning down the opportunity to earn a finance designation that leads to some of the highest paying jobs in the country, and quit my job teaching at a college earning far too much money. And I&#8217;m totally ok with it. For now&#8230;</p>
<p>But I like the idea of an unknown destination earned by discipline. Maybe I&#8217;m afraid of becoming a social goon that&#8217;s ruined our politics/education/economy. Maybe I&#8217;m just afraid to start my life. </p>
<p>That comment was meant to be short. Instead I&#8217;ll just hope someone can relate. I think this article really hit a nerve.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nav

From my read I think the article is suggesting that discipline can lead to a happiness that you cannot currently even vision. The pianist who is naturally brilliant can&#039;t find how good he can be until he is trained to improve his weak spots.

So essentially, the discipline is a means to find even greater happiness. The musician will now create even more inspirational, creative music and be less restricted due to an increase in skill.

Much the same as a teen who is already strong and athletic but starts to lift weights. He finds gains through training, but might find unexpected ability by lifting correctly, and in an efficient, disciplined  manner. Thus greater happiness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nav</p>
<p>From my read I think the article is suggesting that discipline can lead to a happiness that you cannot currently even vision. The pianist who is naturally brilliant can&#8217;t find how good he can be until he is trained to improve his weak spots.</p>
<p>So essentially, the discipline is a means to find even greater happiness. The musician will now create even more inspirational, creative music and be less restricted due to an increase in skill.</p>
<p>Much the same as a teen who is already strong and athletic but starts to lift weights. He finds gains through training, but might find unexpected ability by lifting correctly, and in an efficient, disciplined  manner. Thus greater happiness.</p>
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