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		<title>By: Andrew Ratelle</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/12/07/lessons-in-manliness-from-dante/comment-page-1/#comment-191226</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Ratelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Jacob Alvarez

Your comments and honesty are appreciated, as are your prayers. I will respond however, by saying that if it&#039;s Chinese you&#039;re hungry for, you&#039;re better off not going to a Pizza Parlor.

This is a men&#039;s interest publication that primarily concerns itself with the discussion of masculinity in today&#039;s secular world. If you want to read an extensive scholarly analysis of the Divine Comedy or an essay detailing the influence of Dante&#039;s Catholic faith on his life and works, you&#039;ve come to the wrong place. Religion and spirituality are issues of sufficient depth that, once raised, must be dealt with adequately. To assume that one could or should do so here would be to entirely misunderstand the proper scope of this website. This simply isn&#039;t the place for a detailed discussion on the Catholicity of Dante or the theology behind the Divine Comedy, but rather where one can reflect on how the example given by his life and works relates to modern masculinity. 

The inclusion of an explicit mention of God or Christianity at this point would at seem at best frivolous and at worst disrespectful of the material itself. Shoehorning throwaway religious references into a forum that cannot appropriately address them is the mark of no small misunderstanding of the relationship between faith and literature. Recall that even Dante himself refrained from making direct references to both Christ and the Virgin Mary not out of some desire to make his work more ‘appealing’ to society, but out of respect. Sometimes an honest forbearance is simply that, and not the sign of some ill-gotten desire to bleach God out of the picture. 

A good Christmas and New Year to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jacob Alvarez</p>
<p>Your comments and honesty are appreciated, as are your prayers. I will respond however, by saying that if it&#8217;s Chinese you&#8217;re hungry for, you&#8217;re better off not going to a Pizza Parlor.</p>
<p>This is a men&#8217;s interest publication that primarily concerns itself with the discussion of masculinity in today&#8217;s secular world. If you want to read an extensive scholarly analysis of the Divine Comedy or an essay detailing the influence of Dante&#8217;s Catholic faith on his life and works, you&#8217;ve come to the wrong place. Religion and spirituality are issues of sufficient depth that, once raised, must be dealt with adequately. To assume that one could or should do so here would be to entirely misunderstand the proper scope of this website. This simply isn&#8217;t the place for a detailed discussion on the Catholicity of Dante or the theology behind the Divine Comedy, but rather where one can reflect on how the example given by his life and works relates to modern masculinity. </p>
<p>The inclusion of an explicit mention of God or Christianity at this point would at seem at best frivolous and at worst disrespectful of the material itself. Shoehorning throwaway religious references into a forum that cannot appropriately address them is the mark of no small misunderstanding of the relationship between faith and literature. Recall that even Dante himself refrained from making direct references to both Christ and the Virgin Mary not out of some desire to make his work more ‘appealing’ to society, but out of respect. Sometimes an honest forbearance is simply that, and not the sign of some ill-gotten desire to bleach God out of the picture. </p>
<p>A good Christmas and New Year to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Alvarez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Alvarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article if you aren&#039;t looking for the real meaning in Dante&#039;s Divine Comedy.  Not once did the author mention God or Jesus Christ.  How can you analyze Dante&#039;s work without acknowledging that it is first and foremost Dante&#039;s attempt to convey his personal struggle in this world and ultimate reliance upon God?  That&#039;s like saying the true meaning of Christmas is to get gifts from Santa Claus.  I understand AoM wanting to appeal to society by nixing Christ from the equation.  However, I don&#039;t find it acceptable when presenting work focused on Him.  Just another example of the popular opinion winning out over the Truth.  I will continuously pray for the author and all those who avoid what we should be exalting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article if you aren&#8217;t looking for the real meaning in Dante&#8217;s Divine Comedy.  Not once did the author mention God or Jesus Christ.  How can you analyze Dante&#8217;s work without acknowledging that it is first and foremost Dante&#8217;s attempt to convey his personal struggle in this world and ultimate reliance upon God?  That&#8217;s like saying the true meaning of Christmas is to get gifts from Santa Claus.  I understand AoM wanting to appeal to society by nixing Christ from the equation.  However, I don&#8217;t find it acceptable when presenting work focused on Him.  Just another example of the popular opinion winning out over the Truth.  I will continuously pray for the author and all those who avoid what we should be exalting.</p>
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		<title>By: The Quiet Seppo</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Quiet Seppo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.M. Larry:

&quot;Well, Seppo, now a lot of people will recognise you for what you are and discount you accordingly, if they hadn’t realised already.&quot;

Good grief. Heh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.M. Larry:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, Seppo, now a lot of people will recognise you for what you are and discount you accordingly, if they hadn’t realised already.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good grief. Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And at the beginning of the canto? It must start ABA BCB CDC ..., but is there any rule constraining the As or are they just working like a free standing couplet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And at the beginning of the canto? It must start ABA BCB CDC &#8230;, but is there any rule constraining the As or are they just working like a free standing couplet?</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes you&#039;re right, I meant that every single Canto has terza rima inside, but between different canti there is no terza rima, it interrupts at the end of every canto with a single line and starts again from scratch with the next canto, like this (Inferno, Canto XXXIV):

salimmo sù, el primo e io secondo,
tanto ch’i’ vidi de le cose belle
che porta ’l ciel, per un pertugio tondo.

E quindi uscimmo a riveder le stelle

Regarding the diversions from the pattern, Divine Comedy doesn&#039;t have such things as far as I know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes you&#8217;re right, I meant that every single Canto has terza rima inside, but between different canti there is no terza rima, it interrupts at the end of every canto with a single line and starts again from scratch with the next canto, like this (Inferno, Canto XXXIV):</p>
<p>salimmo sù, el primo e io secondo,<br />
tanto ch’i’ vidi de le cose belle<br />
che porta ’l ciel, per un pertugio tondo.</p>
<p>E quindi uscimmo a riveder le stelle</p>
<p>Regarding the diversions from the pattern, Divine Comedy doesn&#8217;t have such things as far as I know.</p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 04:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Walter, it&#039;s mathematically impossible to use Terza Rima &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; throughout, as the interleaving intrinsically must break at the beginning and end of a section. I don&#039;t know how Danto handled that, but at least the following possibilities exist:-

- use a different but linked pattern at each end, e.g. a couplet;

- run each section into its successor, e.g. each canto, though this doesn&#039;t deal with the very beginning and end;

- wrap each section&#039;s end around onto the beginning.

In some ways this is like how chromosomes work - ending with near dummy telomeres or (in some bacteria) wrapping around.

Also, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Dante very occasionally diverted from his own choice of pattern for poetic reasons; Virgil did precisely that in the Aeneid, dropping out of pentameter two or three times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, it&#8217;s mathematically impossible to use Terza Rima <i>all</i> throughout, as the interleaving intrinsically must break at the beginning and end of a section. I don&#8217;t know how Danto handled that, but at least the following possibilities exist:-</p>
<p>- use a different but linked pattern at each end, e.g. a couplet;</p>
<p>- run each section into its successor, e.g. each canto, though this doesn&#8217;t deal with the very beginning and end;</p>
<p>- wrap each section&#8217;s end around onto the beginning.</p>
<p>In some ways this is like how chromosomes work &#8211; ending with near dummy telomeres or (in some bacteria) wrapping around.</p>
<p>Also, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Dante very occasionally diverted from his own choice of pattern for poetic reasons; Virgil did precisely that in the Aeneid, dropping out of pentameter two or three times.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 03:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m also from Italy, and the quote above it&#039;s also one of my favourite.

It&#039;s the expression of Ulysses, a man that explored the world even against god&#039;s will, and after being judged and trown to hell for it, doesn&#039;t blame himself or god, but reclaim this as his way and the way of mankind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also from Italy, and the quote above it&#8217;s also one of my favourite.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the expression of Ulysses, a man that explored the world even against god&#8217;s will, and after being judged and trown to hell for it, doesn&#8217;t blame himself or god, but reclaim this as his way and the way of mankind.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, congratulation for the very nice article, I appreciated it very much because it&#039;s not so common that someone non-Italian knows so much about Dante and the &quot;Divina Commedia.&quot; I am Italian so I studied it extensively at school and I have to say that this is one of the things that really lose a lot during translation: he was a real poet, there is a perfection in the word he chose that is impossible to recreate in another language. For example he was the first one to use &quot;Terza Rima&quot; (an interlocking three-line rhyme scheme like this: A B A, B C B, C D C, ...) and this pattern is used throughout ALL the poem, and also every single line have the same length (endecasyllab). Sometimes the choice of the words allowed him to express its meaning  also with sound (i.e. at the end of canto V he write &quot;e caddi come corpo morto cade&quot; - &quot;And fell, even as a dead body falls.&quot; If you hear the Italian sentence all those  &quot;d&quot;, &quot;rp&quot;, &quot;rt&quot; together give a peculiar sound, like you could hear him falling).
One of my favorite quotes is from canto XVI:

Considerate la vostra semenza:
fatti non foste a viver come bruti,
ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza&quot;

Consider ye the seed from which ye sprang;
Ye were not made to live like unto brutes,
But for pursuit of virtue and of knowledge]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, congratulation for the very nice article, I appreciated it very much because it&#8217;s not so common that someone non-Italian knows so much about Dante and the &#8220;Divina Commedia.&#8221; I am Italian so I studied it extensively at school and I have to say that this is one of the things that really lose a lot during translation: he was a real poet, there is a perfection in the word he chose that is impossible to recreate in another language. For example he was the first one to use &#8220;Terza Rima&#8221; (an interlocking three-line rhyme scheme like this: A B A, B C B, C D C, &#8230;) and this pattern is used throughout ALL the poem, and also every single line have the same length (endecasyllab). Sometimes the choice of the words allowed him to express its meaning  also with sound (i.e. at the end of canto V he write &#8220;e caddi come corpo morto cade&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;And fell, even as a dead body falls.&#8221; If you hear the Italian sentence all those  &#8220;d&#8221;, &#8220;rp&#8221;, &#8220;rt&#8221; together give a peculiar sound, like you could hear him falling).<br />
One of my favorite quotes is from canto XVI:</p>
<p>Considerate la vostra semenza:<br />
fatti non foste a viver come bruti,<br />
ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza&#8221;</p>
<p>Consider ye the seed from which ye sprang;<br />
Ye were not made to live like unto brutes,<br />
But for pursuit of virtue and of knowledge</p>
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		<title>By: P.M.Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>P.M.Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Seppo, now a lot of people will recognise you for what you are and discount you accordingly, if they hadn&#039;t realised already.

Now I will stop feeding the troll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Seppo, now a lot of people will recognise you for what you are and discount you accordingly, if they hadn&#8217;t realised already.</p>
<p>Now I will stop feeding the troll.</p>
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		<title>By: The Quiet Seppo</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Quiet Seppo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[P.M. Larry:

&quot;Seppo, you are being offensive&quot;

Ya, no kidding genius.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.M. Larry:</p>
<p>&#8220;Seppo, you are being offensive&#8221;</p>
<p>Ya, no kidding genius.</p>
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