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	<title>Comments on: Beat the Carnies: The Secrets to Winning 5 Popular State Fair Games</title>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/09/26/how-to-win-state-fair-games/comment-page-1/#comment-384699</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 23:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I once played a game at a carnival with three pool balls and a golf tee, placed upside-down in the middle of the three balls. Carny gave me a free shot and the tee flew off the table. &quot;That&#039;s all there is too it&quot; he said. I put my hard earned cash down and tried several times but the tee sat there like it was glued down. 

It wasn&#039;t. I figured out in my head later that on the free shot, the tee was in contact with the front ball in the triad. In this configuration, the tee took the full momentum of the front ball and flew off. Then, when I paid, he must have moved the tee back between the rear two balls. The front ball then transfers its momentum to the rear balls, and bounces towards the cue ball, not ever touching the golf Tee. Of course I figured that out AFTER I dropped like $20 and had left...never seen that game before or since.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once played a game at a carnival with three pool balls and a golf tee, placed upside-down in the middle of the three balls. Carny gave me a free shot and the tee flew off the table. &#8220;That&#8217;s all there is too it&#8221; he said. I put my hard earned cash down and tried several times but the tee sat there like it was glued down. </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t. I figured out in my head later that on the free shot, the tee was in contact with the front ball in the triad. In this configuration, the tee took the full momentum of the front ball and flew off. Then, when I paid, he must have moved the tee back between the rear two balls. The front ball then transfers its momentum to the rear balls, and bounces towards the cue ball, not ever touching the golf Tee. Of course I figured that out AFTER I dropped like $20 and had left&#8230;never seen that game before or since.</p>
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		<title>By: Trung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 21:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the basketball game.  I know it&#039;s a smaller hoop, higher, and a tad further than the free throw line.  I always aim for the backboard for a solid bank shot.  That&#039;s the only way to get it to go in.  I always ask for a practice shot first to gauge the distance since it&#039;s never at free throw distance.  The carnies usually agree to a practice shot or an extra ball.  After I win, they tell all the people around me that I just won and anyone can do it.  The wife got tired of having giagantic stuffed animals so we give them away to the closest kid around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the basketball game.  I know it&#8217;s a smaller hoop, higher, and a tad further than the free throw line.  I always aim for the backboard for a solid bank shot.  That&#8217;s the only way to get it to go in.  I always ask for a practice shot first to gauge the distance since it&#8217;s never at free throw distance.  The carnies usually agree to a practice shot or an extra ball.  After I win, they tell all the people around me that I just won and anyone can do it.  The wife got tired of having giagantic stuffed animals so we give them away to the closest kid around.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Barrister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Barrister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 04:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I worked in a carnival in the early 1970s.  The man I worked for ran the horse racing game.  The game was honest, with everything spelled out in the rules.  The operator made his profit on the simple fact that what he gave out in prizes cost him less than what he was taking in.  

The &quot;flat store&quot; referred to got its name from the fact that the game  was usually carried around in a smal suitcase-type box.  The box unfolded and laid flat on a table or stand, thus the name &quot;flat store&quot;.  The man operating it was a &quot;flattie.&quot;  The idea was that if a lookout spotted the law heading their way,, the flattie could fold up the box and take off. 

Popular flat stores were the &quot;count-up&quot; games in which the player rolled balls into holes (or often dice).  The odds of winning the grand prize were about one in 1.7 million (6 to the 8th power), and any prize about one in 4,000.  The flattie would miscount the game for a win when the game was played for slum (cheap prizes), and wouldn&#039;t need to do anything thereafter, since the game was nearly impossible to win.

Another flat store was the &quot;Red and Black,&quot; played on a &quot;creeper&quot; wheel, a flat wheel, in which the spinner would creep along slowly for a long time before finally stopping.  There were 36 spaces: 18 black, which won, and 18 red, which lost.  The flattie would play the mark for money, gradually adding black pieces of cardboard to the red slots so that the mark would eventually have as many as 32 slots to the flattie&#039;s 4.  Of course the wheel was gaffed to stop when the flattie wanted it to.

A popular gaffe game was the &quot;five in a row,&quot; in which the numbers 1 through 15 were placed on the store layout (some versions also has the letters A through E).  The player had to get 5 numbers (or three letters) in a row to win.  Ducks were propelled around in a large tub with a metal piece in the middle, making it look a bit like a race track.  A fourth of the tub was covered by a roof and shaft. sort of tunnel that extended down to about six inches above the water.   The player would pay his dollar and fish a duck out of the pond, then turn it over to reveal a number (or letter).  If uncovered, a marker would be placed over the number or letter under the duck.  The problem with the game was that there were no 5&#039;s or 10&#039;&#039;s (or C&#039;s if letters were used), making the game impossible to win.  If an unhappy player brought the law back, the carnie would demonstrate the the game was honest.  All of the ducks would be fished out of the pond, and there would be a few with 5&#039;s, 10&#039;, (and C&#039;s).  There wouldn&#039;t be as  many as the other games; after all, the carnie had to make a living, but they were there.  The law would tell the mark that nothing could be done and go.   What the law and mark didn&#039;t know was that the carnie pulled a hidden switch that released the ducks with the rare numbers (letter) from their hiding place inside the shaft/tunnel into the water.   When the law was out of sight, those ducks (which had marks that the carnie could spot) went back into the shaft.  

TIP: If you go to a carnival on the last day of its run, don&#039;t play the games.  They&#039;re much more likely to be gaffed, since the carnies won&#039;t be around the next day to listen to complaints.  If any carnie EVER offers to play you for money, don&#039;t do it.  You have no win.

The late major league pitcher Robin Roberts once beat the carnie at his own game.  The store (booth) was the cats game.  The object was to knock down three cats with three balls.  This was harder than it looked, because the actual hittable area was small--the rest was fluff that the balls passed through.  A player who won usually got slum (a cheap trinket). To win a bigger prize, the player had to &quot;work through the slums,&quot;, which was also called the &quot;buildup.&quot;   By the time the player made it through a dozen tradeups to the big prize, he would generally have spent $40-50 on a prize that cost the carnie perhaps $10-12---that&#039;s if he was good.   

Roberts offered the carnie this proposition: He&#039;d pay a dollar and throw one ball.  If he could knock down three cats with one ball, he&#039;d win the plush (the big prize: a stuffed animal).  The carnie asked if he was going to throw it from an angle.  Roberts said no, he would throw it straight/perpendicular from where he was standing, in the middle of the player&#039;s side of the booth.  The carnie finally agreed.  Roberts, who was well-known in the majors to be a hard thrower with excellent control, went into a windup, then threw a perfect strike----right into the baseboard holding the second row of cats.  Ball hitting wood made a sound that could be heard 200 feet away.  About 8 cats went scattering into the cloth catcher below.  

As the carnie began to object, two of the men  with Roberts introduced him to the carnie.  The carnie laughed and gave Roberts his prize, saying &quot;I&#039;m just glad you didn&#039;t break the board.&quot;

After Roberts and his friends were out of earshot, he remarked: &quot;That&#039;s what I was hoping to do.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked in a carnival in the early 1970s.  The man I worked for ran the horse racing game.  The game was honest, with everything spelled out in the rules.  The operator made his profit on the simple fact that what he gave out in prizes cost him less than what he was taking in.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;flat store&#8221; referred to got its name from the fact that the game  was usually carried around in a smal suitcase-type box.  The box unfolded and laid flat on a table or stand, thus the name &#8220;flat store&#8221;.  The man operating it was a &#8220;flattie.&#8221;  The idea was that if a lookout spotted the law heading their way,, the flattie could fold up the box and take off. </p>
<p>Popular flat stores were the &#8220;count-up&#8221; games in which the player rolled balls into holes (or often dice).  The odds of winning the grand prize were about one in 1.7 million (6 to the 8th power), and any prize about one in 4,000.  The flattie would miscount the game for a win when the game was played for slum (cheap prizes), and wouldn&#8217;t need to do anything thereafter, since the game was nearly impossible to win.</p>
<p>Another flat store was the &#8220;Red and Black,&#8221; played on a &#8220;creeper&#8221; wheel, a flat wheel, in which the spinner would creep along slowly for a long time before finally stopping.  There were 36 spaces: 18 black, which won, and 18 red, which lost.  The flattie would play the mark for money, gradually adding black pieces of cardboard to the red slots so that the mark would eventually have as many as 32 slots to the flattie&#8217;s 4.  Of course the wheel was gaffed to stop when the flattie wanted it to.</p>
<p>A popular gaffe game was the &#8220;five in a row,&#8221; in which the numbers 1 through 15 were placed on the store layout (some versions also has the letters A through E).  The player had to get 5 numbers (or three letters) in a row to win.  Ducks were propelled around in a large tub with a metal piece in the middle, making it look a bit like a race track.  A fourth of the tub was covered by a roof and shaft. sort of tunnel that extended down to about six inches above the water.   The player would pay his dollar and fish a duck out of the pond, then turn it over to reveal a number (or letter).  If uncovered, a marker would be placed over the number or letter under the duck.  The problem with the game was that there were no 5&#8242;s or 10&#8221;s (or C&#8217;s if letters were used), making the game impossible to win.  If an unhappy player brought the law back, the carnie would demonstrate the the game was honest.  All of the ducks would be fished out of the pond, and there would be a few with 5&#8242;s, 10&#8242;, (and C&#8217;s).  There wouldn&#8217;t be as  many as the other games; after all, the carnie had to make a living, but they were there.  The law would tell the mark that nothing could be done and go.   What the law and mark didn&#8217;t know was that the carnie pulled a hidden switch that released the ducks with the rare numbers (letter) from their hiding place inside the shaft/tunnel into the water.   When the law was out of sight, those ducks (which had marks that the carnie could spot) went back into the shaft.  </p>
<p>TIP: If you go to a carnival on the last day of its run, don&#8217;t play the games.  They&#8217;re much more likely to be gaffed, since the carnies won&#8217;t be around the next day to listen to complaints.  If any carnie EVER offers to play you for money, don&#8217;t do it.  You have no win.</p>
<p>The late major league pitcher Robin Roberts once beat the carnie at his own game.  The store (booth) was the cats game.  The object was to knock down three cats with three balls.  This was harder than it looked, because the actual hittable area was small&#8211;the rest was fluff that the balls passed through.  A player who won usually got slum (a cheap trinket). To win a bigger prize, the player had to &#8220;work through the slums,&#8221;, which was also called the &#8220;buildup.&#8221;   By the time the player made it through a dozen tradeups to the big prize, he would generally have spent $40-50 on a prize that cost the carnie perhaps $10-12&#8212;that&#8217;s if he was good.   </p>
<p>Roberts offered the carnie this proposition: He&#8217;d pay a dollar and throw one ball.  If he could knock down three cats with one ball, he&#8217;d win the plush (the big prize: a stuffed animal).  The carnie asked if he was going to throw it from an angle.  Roberts said no, he would throw it straight/perpendicular from where he was standing, in the middle of the player&#8217;s side of the booth.  The carnie finally agreed.  Roberts, who was well-known in the majors to be a hard thrower with excellent control, went into a windup, then threw a perfect strike&#8212;-right into the baseboard holding the second row of cats.  Ball hitting wood made a sound that could be heard 200 feet away.  About 8 cats went scattering into the cloth catcher below.  </p>
<p>As the carnie began to object, two of the men  with Roberts introduced him to the carnie.  The carnie laughed and gave Roberts his prize, saying &#8220;I&#8217;m just glad you didn&#8217;t break the board.&#8221;</p>
<p>After Roberts and his friends were out of earshot, he remarked: &#8220;That&#8217;s what I was hoping to do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bjarke Reimann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bjarke Reimann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 02:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last time I played a game, it was a very simple one, where you had to throw six balls consecutively into a hole a bit larger than the balls, over a distance of around 3m. As a juggler this was really easy for me, but when I had won, I realized none of the prizes were actually worth having. I ended up walking away with a card game.

Great article though. And thans to Lee Howard for his insightful and extensive comments - they were just as informative as the article itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I played a game, it was a very simple one, where you had to throw six balls consecutively into a hole a bit larger than the balls, over a distance of around 3m. As a juggler this was really easy for me, but when I had won, I realized none of the prizes were actually worth having. I ended up walking away with a card game.</p>
<p>Great article though. And thans to Lee Howard for his insightful and extensive comments &#8211; they were just as informative as the article itself.</p>
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		<title>By: will</title>
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		<dc:creator>will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 23:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just an anecdote;

  I have heard that pistol pete maravich, in order to out psych the basketball carnies used to fire away, making all the shots, then walking across the road in front of the stand and bet the carnie on the shot, then making the shot and just walk away smiling with a cart of prizes.

I would love to do that just once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an anecdote;</p>
<p>  I have heard that pistol pete maravich, in order to out psych the basketball carnies used to fire away, making all the shots, then walking across the road in front of the stand and bet the carnie on the shot, then making the shot and just walk away smiling with a cart of prizes.</p>
<p>I would love to do that just once.</p>
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		<title>By: JDH</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 03:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When told that if you bust 3 balloons with 3 darts you WIN! It is frowned upon to throw ONE dart into the box of balloons that the carnie has set aside to replace the busted balloons. It IS funny as hell, but frowned upon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When told that if you bust 3 balloons with 3 darts you WIN! It is frowned upon to throw ONE dart into the box of balloons that the carnie has set aside to replace the busted balloons. It IS funny as hell, but frowned upon.</p>
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		<title>By: Tycho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My uncle is a farmer and build his own fences for his farm. My aunt told how he impressed everyone at the fair with hitting the bell with every swing at high strike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My uncle is a farmer and build his own fences for his farm. My aunt told how he impressed everyone at the fair with hitting the bell with every swing at high strike.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;Dime Toss&quot;!
I am the supreme master of this old carnival game.  As a teenager I saved dimes all year waiting for the County Fair in the winter.  (I live in Florida so our fairs are in the winter).
The object of the game is to cover the circle on the board with a dime so that it is completely covered.  Not as easy as it sounds.  There are hundreds of these circles on the large slippery board so you can toss from all sides.
The key to beating this one is to wait until there are a large amount of dimes laying on the board that the other suckers have already tossed...then you make your move and start aiming your dime at one that is already close to covering already.  Just keep inching it along until you cover!
But you have to be quick.  The carnies know a master when they see one and they will quickly sweep the board clean when they see what you&#039;re up to.  LOL
That&#039;s when I walk away and get an elephant ear and come back later!
Good luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Dime Toss&#8221;!<br />
I am the supreme master of this old carnival game.  As a teenager I saved dimes all year waiting for the County Fair in the winter.  (I live in Florida so our fairs are in the winter).<br />
The object of the game is to cover the circle on the board with a dime so that it is completely covered.  Not as easy as it sounds.  There are hundreds of these circles on the large slippery board so you can toss from all sides.<br />
The key to beating this one is to wait until there are a large amount of dimes laying on the board that the other suckers have already tossed&#8230;then you make your move and start aiming your dime at one that is already close to covering already.  Just keep inching it along until you cover!<br />
But you have to be quick.  The carnies know a master when they see one and they will quickly sweep the board clean when they see what you&#8217;re up to.  LOL<br />
That&#8217;s when I walk away and get an elephant ear and come back later!<br />
Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: John B</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 01:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Want to win, step back and let your girlfriend play. The stuffed animals only last a few weeks in the sun and there for must be given away before they look ratty. Best way for the booth to get cash out of a guys pocket is to give them to the girl who played before them. Smaller the girl, the bigger the prize they will allow her to win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to win, step back and let your girlfriend play. The stuffed animals only last a few weeks in the sun and there for must be given away before they look ratty. Best way for the booth to get cash out of a guys pocket is to give them to the girl who played before them. Smaller the girl, the bigger the prize they will allow her to win.</p>
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		<title>By: rj</title>
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		<dc:creator>rj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HI Lee thanks for your response.  Yes i was definitely cheated that day and should have stayed and complained.  Wish you were there when i needed you.  hahha! i am looking at the star and it shows the numbers TB0XP-1SK.  I&#039;m not sure what that means but probably somewhere along the lines of &quot;you will lose either way&quot; in number code! LOL.  Well i no more carny games coming through so i guess i have to head to Circus Circus Las Vegas where the operators don&#039;t care if you win and will award you the prize in a heartbeat ;)  

I also had a question about the claw game.. is it true that some of these game are rigged by owners to pay out every so often just as the stacker game (lining up digital blocks in until the top is reached) is?  If so i don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever play that again..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Lee thanks for your response.  Yes i was definitely cheated that day and should have stayed and complained.  Wish you were there when i needed you.  hahha! i am looking at the star and it shows the numbers TB0XP-1SK.  I&#8217;m not sure what that means but probably somewhere along the lines of &#8220;you will lose either way&#8221; in number code! LOL.  Well i no more carny games coming through so i guess i have to head to Circus Circus Las Vegas where the operators don&#8217;t care if you win and will award you the prize in a heartbeat ;)  </p>
<p>I also had a question about the claw game.. is it true that some of these game are rigged by owners to pay out every so often just as the stacker game (lining up digital blocks in until the top is reached) is?  If so i don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever play that again..</p>
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