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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/05/11/how-to-haggle-like-your-old-man/comment-page-1/#comment-378269</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article!  I especially love the part about making sure the deal is mutually beneficial; It&#039;s truly great advice.

You might be able to hammer a salesman into practically giving a car away, price-wise, but he&#039;s never going to want to deal with you again.  A fair deal that represents the salesman receiving what the item and his time is worth, without gouging the buyer, is much more conducive to a future business relationship.  

Imagine a haggling scenario where you and the salesman reach a mutually beneficial price (neither one forcing the other to &quot;lose&quot;).  Next time you&#039;re in the market for a vehicle, you go to him, and he knows you&#039;re not only looking out for yourself...you&#039;re able to get similar deals with much less effort.

For example, when I bought my first car, I was desperate.  The truck I had been driving had totally died on me, and was going to cost upwards of $3000 to repair.  Instead of throwing more money into the trash on the ancient truck, I decided $3k would be better spent as a down payment on a car.  I was off from work this particular day, but I had to work the next day, and I couldn&#039;t find a ride, so it was crucial that I find a vehicle in one day.  I managed to find a ride to the dealership, but my friend had to leave for work immediately, so I was stranded: I either had to buy a car or walk home in the cold.  The salesperson picked up on this, and combined with my inexperience at haggling, I got an awful price on my car, with a mediocre interest rate.

The salesman was surely excited that he suckered me into such a &#039;deal,&#039; but now that I&#039;m more informed, I will never give him my business again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!  I especially love the part about making sure the deal is mutually beneficial; It&#8217;s truly great advice.</p>
<p>You might be able to hammer a salesman into practically giving a car away, price-wise, but he&#8217;s never going to want to deal with you again.  A fair deal that represents the salesman receiving what the item and his time is worth, without gouging the buyer, is much more conducive to a future business relationship.  </p>
<p>Imagine a haggling scenario where you and the salesman reach a mutually beneficial price (neither one forcing the other to &#8220;lose&#8221;).  Next time you&#8217;re in the market for a vehicle, you go to him, and he knows you&#8217;re not only looking out for yourself&#8230;you&#8217;re able to get similar deals with much less effort.</p>
<p>For example, when I bought my first car, I was desperate.  The truck I had been driving had totally died on me, and was going to cost upwards of $3000 to repair.  Instead of throwing more money into the trash on the ancient truck, I decided $3k would be better spent as a down payment on a car.  I was off from work this particular day, but I had to work the next day, and I couldn&#8217;t find a ride, so it was crucial that I find a vehicle in one day.  I managed to find a ride to the dealership, but my friend had to leave for work immediately, so I was stranded: I either had to buy a car or walk home in the cold.  The salesperson picked up on this, and combined with my inexperience at haggling, I got an awful price on my car, with a mediocre interest rate.</p>
<p>The salesman was surely excited that he suckered me into such a &#8216;deal,&#8217; but now that I&#8217;m more informed, I will never give him my business again.</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eduardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

I just wanted to say thank you for this article. I am getting married in June next year and searched the net for a few articles on haggling as I knew I was going to be doing a lot of it. I came across this one and it has helped a lot.

My recent success was our jeweller. He does not own a shop and came to our house for us to see the styles etc. We are getting custom made rings. Anyway his overheads are really low so unfortunately despite my best efforts he was not able to budge on the price, but then he mentioned that he would plate my wife to be&#039;s engagement ring for free when we ordered the rings. I then asked him how much this normally costs which he told me. I then said since he could not give us a discount could he offer us 1 free plaing in the future, which he agreed on.

It just shows haggling is not all about getting money off, a lot of people can&#039;t budge on price, so why not see what extra&#039;s they can throw in instead!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I just wanted to say thank you for this article. I am getting married in June next year and searched the net for a few articles on haggling as I knew I was going to be doing a lot of it. I came across this one and it has helped a lot.</p>
<p>My recent success was our jeweller. He does not own a shop and came to our house for us to see the styles etc. We are getting custom made rings. Anyway his overheads are really low so unfortunately despite my best efforts he was not able to budge on the price, but then he mentioned that he would plate my wife to be&#8217;s engagement ring for free when we ordered the rings. I then asked him how much this normally costs which he told me. I then said since he could not give us a discount could he offer us 1 free plaing in the future, which he agreed on.</p>
<p>It just shows haggling is not all about getting money off, a lot of people can&#8217;t budge on price, so why not see what extra&#8217;s they can throw in instead!</p>
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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/05/11/how-to-haggle-like-your-old-man/comment-page-1/#comment-151934</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 22:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For smaller items, try and see if you can get something else you want for free.  My mom and I were in a hat shop, and I couldn&#039;t decide between two hats.  We talked back and forth, trying to figure out which one I couldn&#039;t live without, and the shop owner eventually threw in one of them for free.  We were all happy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For smaller items, try and see if you can get something else you want for free.  My mom and I were in a hat shop, and I couldn&#8217;t decide between two hats.  We talked back and forth, trying to figure out which one I couldn&#8217;t live without, and the shop owner eventually threw in one of them for free.  We were all happy.</p>
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		<title>By: JABrown</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/05/11/how-to-haggle-like-your-old-man/comment-page-1/#comment-151835</link>
		<dc:creator>JABrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 17:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am in Kathmandu, Nepal right now and I really wanted to get a Kukuri for myself, my brother and friends. There is a big strike going on here so many shops are closed and I&#039;m only here one day. 
I found the ONLY Kukuri shop around and the man was a master salesman. Knowledgeable of his products, always comparing quality and craftsmanship... but the price was more that I would have paid back home. I made him an offer that was actually more than they were worth and he STILL refused to take it... in the end I walked away. I think he expects me back. But immediately after I made that high offer I realized it was still way too much. I&#039;m sad that the situation won&#039;t allow me to get any kukuri but at least I didn&#039;t waste a ton of money I don&#039;t have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in Kathmandu, Nepal right now and I really wanted to get a Kukuri for myself, my brother and friends. There is a big strike going on here so many shops are closed and I&#8217;m only here one day.<br />
I found the ONLY Kukuri shop around and the man was a master salesman. Knowledgeable of his products, always comparing quality and craftsmanship&#8230; but the price was more that I would have paid back home. I made him an offer that was actually more than they were worth and he STILL refused to take it&#8230; in the end I walked away. I think he expects me back. But immediately after I made that high offer I realized it was still way too much. I&#8217;m sad that the situation won&#8217;t allow me to get any kukuri but at least I didn&#8217;t waste a ton of money I don&#8217;t have.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 12:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post mate!
I go through seasons of being good at haggling and getting what I want for a great price without conflict or argument. Then other times rubbish at it; bending over to the price and coming away frustrated and disappointed. 

I have learned it is better to walk away from a deal if I am not getting what I had in mind as that way I feel like I wont regret it after. It is entirely my fault no getting the intended price as I was doing it wrong and possibly not in the right frame of mind to be negotiating. 
It is certainly a learning process and one that can be practiced but this post has and will help immensely and I am very much looking forward to buying something to haggle over. All I need now is money!!

Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post mate!<br />
I go through seasons of being good at haggling and getting what I want for a great price without conflict or argument. Then other times rubbish at it; bending over to the price and coming away frustrated and disappointed. </p>
<p>I have learned it is better to walk away from a deal if I am not getting what I had in mind as that way I feel like I wont regret it after. It is entirely my fault no getting the intended price as I was doing it wrong and possibly not in the right frame of mind to be negotiating.<br />
It is certainly a learning process and one that can be practiced but this post has and will help immensely and I am very much looking forward to buying something to haggle over. All I need now is money!!</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 16:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting article!
I actually learned a bit, might try that silence thing!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article!<br />
I actually learned a bit, might try that silence thing!</p>
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		<title>By: gambit293</title>
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		<dc:creator>gambit293</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 05:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe this is kind of obvious, but knowledge is key.  If you don&#039;t know the value of the items being bargained, then what&#039;s the point?  This often means research research research.  Nowadays, there is no reason why you shouldn&#039;t be aware of invoice price and current specials when you walk into a car dealership.  Frequently, there are factory incentives in place, but the dealer has discretion in how much of the saving to pass on to you.  Plus, you should scout out online forums to get an idea what kind of deals other people are getting and to get a feel for how prices are currently trending.

The other day, a service man trimming trees for my neighbor popped by and offered to do my trees for 50% off since he was in the neighborhood.  Wow, great deal, right?  I decided that I might as well get a quote from him at least.  He offered me a price that made my eyes bug out.  He countered with &quot;well, how much you looking to spend?&quot; and I vaguely responded &quot;a few hundred.&quot;  He knocked down the price considerably, and I said I&#039;d call him if I made up my mind.  He noted &quot;Well, don&#039;t tell your neighbor the price I&#039;m offering because he&#039;s paying $1,500 for what I&#039;m doing in his yard.&quot;

After the trimmer left, I checked with my neighbor.  He paid $1,000 to the serviceman.  I guess that guy figures neighbors don&#039;t talk to each other these days?  

The point is, always be aware when you&#039;re walking into a situation unarmed.  It doesn&#039;t matter if you&#039;re getting a schnoozlelipznut for $200, which is 60% off the list price, if you know nothing about schnoozlelipznuts or what they&#039;re worth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this is kind of obvious, but knowledge is key.  If you don&#8217;t know the value of the items being bargained, then what&#8217;s the point?  This often means research research research.  Nowadays, there is no reason why you shouldn&#8217;t be aware of invoice price and current specials when you walk into a car dealership.  Frequently, there are factory incentives in place, but the dealer has discretion in how much of the saving to pass on to you.  Plus, you should scout out online forums to get an idea what kind of deals other people are getting and to get a feel for how prices are currently trending.</p>
<p>The other day, a service man trimming trees for my neighbor popped by and offered to do my trees for 50% off since he was in the neighborhood.  Wow, great deal, right?  I decided that I might as well get a quote from him at least.  He offered me a price that made my eyes bug out.  He countered with &#8220;well, how much you looking to spend?&#8221; and I vaguely responded &#8220;a few hundred.&#8221;  He knocked down the price considerably, and I said I&#8217;d call him if I made up my mind.  He noted &#8220;Well, don&#8217;t tell your neighbor the price I&#8217;m offering because he&#8217;s paying $1,500 for what I&#8217;m doing in his yard.&#8221;</p>
<p>After the trimmer left, I checked with my neighbor.  He paid $1,000 to the serviceman.  I guess that guy figures neighbors don&#8217;t talk to each other these days?  </p>
<p>The point is, always be aware when you&#8217;re walking into a situation unarmed.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if you&#8217;re getting a schnoozlelipznut for $200, which is 60% off the list price, if you know nothing about schnoozlelipznuts or what they&#8217;re worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Van Ness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Van Ness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 14:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Negoiting is definately an art.  It is a combination of basic understanding and a lot of practice.  Some people simply can not be quiet for silence to be a tactical tool in negotiating, so it must be replaced with another tactic that allows the other party to think about what was said and respond.  Some of my sales guys have a pen and paper, and start writing whatever they want to say, as they wait for the other party to respond.  Not that they ever show that sheet of paper to any one, they just throw it away when they are done, and yes, it is a bit wierd, but very effective at slowing downt that tendency to avoid the &quot;uncomfortable silence&quot; by blurting out something that handicaps their ability to negotiate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negoiting is definately an art.  It is a combination of basic understanding and a lot of practice.  Some people simply can not be quiet for silence to be a tactical tool in negotiating, so it must be replaced with another tactic that allows the other party to think about what was said and respond.  Some of my sales guys have a pen and paper, and start writing whatever they want to say, as they wait for the other party to respond.  Not that they ever show that sheet of paper to any one, they just throw it away when they are done, and yes, it is a bit wierd, but very effective at slowing downt that tendency to avoid the &#8220;uncomfortable silence&#8221; by blurting out something that handicaps their ability to negotiate</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 01:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maintaining walk-away power is crucial; especially in big-ticket items like cars, furniture, etc.

About 5 years ago I was in the market for a used car and spent a lot of time at local dealerships meeting the salesmen and getting prices. 

One in particular stood out - I saw the car I liked, but I maintained my walk-away power and indifference to his pitches (Car features, pricing, warranties, etc).

At the end, I thanked the salesman, gave him my phone number and left - next door the local restaurant where I sat for 30 minutes until he called. &quot;I can take $500 off the price.&quot; I thanked him and hung up. This happened three more times until he had shaved off over $2,000 from the original price.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maintaining walk-away power is crucial; especially in big-ticket items like cars, furniture, etc.</p>
<p>About 5 years ago I was in the market for a used car and spent a lot of time at local dealerships meeting the salesmen and getting prices. </p>
<p>One in particular stood out &#8211; I saw the car I liked, but I maintained my walk-away power and indifference to his pitches (Car features, pricing, warranties, etc).</p>
<p>At the end, I thanked the salesman, gave him my phone number and left &#8211; next door the local restaurant where I sat for 30 minutes until he called. &#8220;I can take $500 off the price.&#8221; I thanked him and hung up. This happened three more times until he had shaved off over $2,000 from the original price.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Byrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Byrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 17:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Definitly a lost art! My grandpa was a car salesman. He also did some body work on the side. I enjoyed listening to him haggle. I say it is a lost art because I can&#039;t conversate anything like him. He loved to tell about the deals he had made, and I loved to hear them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitly a lost art! My grandpa was a car salesman. He also did some body work on the side. I enjoyed listening to him haggle. I say it is a lost art because I can&#8217;t conversate anything like him. He loved to tell about the deals he had made, and I loved to hear them.</p>
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