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	<title>Comments on: Classical Rhetoric 101: The Five Canons of Rhetoric &#8211; Invention</title>
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		<title>By: riadh</title>
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		<dc:creator>riadh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[very interesting ,actualy i am doing a research on this topic .rhetoric and persuasion were thought to be deceptive   but i think that when we use these techniques in a good manner ,we manage to enhance communication and logical persuasion.cicero&#039;s five canons represents the best demonstration of a very well established rhetoric and as it folllows certain codes ,it gives our lives a good flavour for communicating. we use rhetoric in our daily life :politicians ,doctors ,engeneers ,etc... let s use it in a good way and learn how to persuade with arguments .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting ,actualy i am doing a research on this topic .rhetoric and persuasion were thought to be deceptive   but i think that when we use these techniques in a good manner ,we manage to enhance communication and logical persuasion.cicero&#8217;s five canons represents the best demonstration of a very well established rhetoric and as it folllows certain codes ,it gives our lives a good flavour for communicating. we use rhetoric in our daily life :politicians ,doctors ,engeneers ,etc&#8230; let s use it in a good way and learn how to persuade with arguments .</p>
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		<title>By: trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite brilliant.Should be a compulsory subject in the world&#039;s schools]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite brilliant.Should be a compulsory subject in the world&#8217;s schools</p>
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		<title>By: Jarett S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarett S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great stuff!  Making rhetoric slightly more cool is a good thing.  Could you two maybe slide in an &quot;extra&quot; about the canon of memoria?  That&#039;s just such a fascinating canon especially with our modern situation of &quot;cloud&quot; memory and electronic everything, the fact that people in ancient times could recite entire books seems genius or godlike today.  At the very least a sideshow act.  In any case, keep up the good work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff!  Making rhetoric slightly more cool is a good thing.  Could you two maybe slide in an &#8220;extra&#8221; about the canon of memoria?  That&#8217;s just such a fascinating canon especially with our modern situation of &#8220;cloud&#8221; memory and electronic everything, the fact that people in ancient times could recite entire books seems genius or godlike today.  At the very least a sideshow act.  In any case, keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This series seems to have neglected what should be the first consideration in rhetoric:

&quot;Ought I make this speech in the first place? Why do I want to convince? What are my true motives, devoid of pleasant self-deception. Are these motives virtuous? Are they base?&quot;

Far too many times, &quot;men&quot; try to learn &quot;how&quot; without bothering to contemplate the far more important question of &quot;why&quot;. Arete is fundamental to manliness. Without it, we merely have civil beastliness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This series seems to have neglected what should be the first consideration in rhetoric:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ought I make this speech in the first place? Why do I want to convince? What are my true motives, devoid of pleasant self-deception. Are these motives virtuous? Are they base?&#8221;</p>
<p>Far too many times, &#8220;men&#8221; try to learn &#8220;how&#8221; without bothering to contemplate the far more important question of &#8220;why&#8221;. Arete is fundamental to manliness. Without it, we merely have civil beastliness.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kudo&#039;s to Brett for another score!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudo&#8217;s to Brett for another score!</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 15:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This series on classical rhetoric is excellent and deserves to be read widely.

Justice Scalia may owe some of rhetorical prowess to his four years as a member of the Philodemic Society of Georgetown University, one of the oldest collegiate oratorical clubs in the United States and an environment in which the art of classical rhetoric is practiced weekly.

For any who may be interested, the links below lead to the Philodemic&#039;s website and to a Wikipedia article on the society:
http://philodemic.wordpress.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philodemic_Society]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This series on classical rhetoric is excellent and deserves to be read widely.</p>
<p>Justice Scalia may owe some of rhetorical prowess to his four years as a member of the Philodemic Society of Georgetown University, one of the oldest collegiate oratorical clubs in the United States and an environment in which the art of classical rhetoric is practiced weekly.</p>
<p>For any who may be interested, the links below lead to the Philodemic&#8217;s website and to a Wikipedia article on the society:<br />
<a href="http://philodemic.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://philodemic.wordpress.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philodemic_Society" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philodemic_Society</a></p>
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		<title>By: Valentin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valentin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the article. I find this a very good summary of the basics.

Ttere is one important topic I would like to raise. Whenever you do the talk there is always a message you want to bring across. Your arguments, their sequence or presentation depends on that.

Out of this point there are two types of talks. One where message is in line with the audience, their beliefs or knowledge. This the kind of talk Linkoln delivered in your example. It is the talk to reinforce the message that is already in someones head.

However another one, and far more challenging, is when message says something alien to the people listening. It can range from pure novelty of the subject to pure anger at the matter.

If I see that I need to deliver &quot;first type&quot; of talk I always consider if I can do something instead of it. Talking the same message to the people already agreeing to it is a waste of audience and my time. If I need to do a reminder I will probably choose more subtle form or talk directly with the key people only.

If it the second... Now that&#039;s the most fun part. One thing I do often is try to prepare a talk as a dialog with an opponent. Another — try to think about different plans of delivering the same message. Even if I will only choose plan A, preparing plans B C or even D gives me a room to maneuver in case I see the audience not responding. This is also important because in reality none of your plans will stand the real encounter with the audience :)

Political speeches far too often are &quot;first type&quot; talks. Mainly because scaring your voter in the middle of an election campaign is a Bad Thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the article. I find this a very good summary of the basics.</p>
<p>Ttere is one important topic I would like to raise. Whenever you do the talk there is always a message you want to bring across. Your arguments, their sequence or presentation depends on that.</p>
<p>Out of this point there are two types of talks. One where message is in line with the audience, their beliefs or knowledge. This the kind of talk Linkoln delivered in your example. It is the talk to reinforce the message that is already in someones head.</p>
<p>However another one, and far more challenging, is when message says something alien to the people listening. It can range from pure novelty of the subject to pure anger at the matter.</p>
<p>If I see that I need to deliver &#8220;first type&#8221; of talk I always consider if I can do something instead of it. Talking the same message to the people already agreeing to it is a waste of audience and my time. If I need to do a reminder I will probably choose more subtle form or talk directly with the key people only.</p>
<p>If it the second&#8230; Now that&#8217;s the most fun part. One thing I do often is try to prepare a talk as a dialog with an opponent. Another — try to think about different plans of delivering the same message. Even if I will only choose plan A, preparing plans B C or even D gives me a room to maneuver in case I see the audience not responding. This is also important because in reality none of your plans will stand the real encounter with the audience :)</p>
<p>Political speeches far too often are &#8220;first type&#8221; talks. Mainly because scaring your voter in the middle of an election campaign is a Bad Thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved this article.  You lay out the substance of good rhetoric quite delightfully.  I have a feeling I&#039;ll be referring to this article on a regular basis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved this article.  You lay out the substance of good rhetoric quite delightfully.  I have a feeling I&#8217;ll be referring to this article on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 02:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is great. I am a junior in college and have just started my senior thesis. These rhetoric posts will definitely help me organize and portray my thoughts with ease.
Thank you, so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great. I am a junior in college and have just started my senior thesis. These rhetoric posts will definitely help me organize and portray my thoughts with ease.<br />
Thank you, so much.</p>
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		<title>By: MNPilot</title>
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		<dc:creator>MNPilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 23:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Theodus
Your point about logic as a prerequisite to rhetoric is a good one. A member of the wandering generation Y, the majority of &quot;arguments&quot; I encounter are simply naked assertions. I&#039;m sure this is something all of us encounter on a daily basis. 

A quick read on the subject of logic that will benefit everyone is A Rulebook for Arguments by Anthony Weston. Intended as an introductory rulebook - as opposed to a bloated textbook - it offers simple everyday rules in an easy to understand manner.

MN Pilot]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Theodus<br />
Your point about logic as a prerequisite to rhetoric is a good one. A member of the wandering generation Y, the majority of &#8220;arguments&#8221; I encounter are simply naked assertions. I&#8217;m sure this is something all of us encounter on a daily basis. </p>
<p>A quick read on the subject of logic that will benefit everyone is A Rulebook for Arguments by Anthony Weston. Intended as an introductory rulebook &#8211; as opposed to a bloated textbook &#8211; it offers simple everyday rules in an easy to understand manner.</p>
<p>MN Pilot</p>
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