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		<title>By: Jeffrey Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/30/history-of-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-337137</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Mar 2013 14:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article, good series.  Worth spending the time to read.  I have a Master&#039;s degree, but just a passing familiarity with rhetoric, largely because it has been scorned, both by Socrates in the past, and by Pirsig in the present, in his book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which was required reading in my Univ of Florida Intro to Philosophy class I took back in the 70s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, good series.  Worth spending the time to read.  I have a Master&#8217;s degree, but just a passing familiarity with rhetoric, largely because it has been scorned, both by Socrates in the past, and by Pirsig in the present, in his book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which was required reading in my Univ of Florida Intro to Philosophy class I took back in the 70s.</p>
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		<title>By: B Cole</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/30/history-of-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-127007</link>
		<dc:creator>B Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, an enjoyable brief history straight to the point. Cannot wait to see the next post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, an enjoyable brief history straight to the point. Cannot wait to see the next post.</p>
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		<title>By: Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/30/history-of-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-126592</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2010 20:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good stuff! really enjoying this series, an apple for Brett.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff! really enjoying this series, an apple for Brett.</p>
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		<title>By: Gustavo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gustavo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, 

the text is very useful, and  the structure is excelent, a good text, which helps to regain interest in the social sciences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, </p>
<p>the text is very useful, and  the structure is excelent, a good text, which helps to regain interest in the social sciences.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Freeman</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/30/history-of-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-123875</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 12:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Dan,

You compliment on my comment is, of itself,  a lesson in structure and clarity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dan,</p>
<p>You compliment on my comment is, of itself,  a lesson in structure and clarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/30/history-of-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-123319</link>
		<dc:creator>Daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 09:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t  disregard  the influence of Mesopotamian and Ancient Egypt. The Greeks got allot of there ideology from the Egyptians and study under the Egyptians scholars by way of the University of Timbuktu. Which taught literature covering topics of science, math, medicine and other disciplines. The university had an average attendance of around 25,000 students. Surly, some Greek thinkers were in attendance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t  disregard  the influence of Mesopotamian and Ancient Egypt. The Greeks got allot of there ideology from the Egyptians and study under the Egyptians scholars by way of the University of Timbuktu. Which taught literature covering topics of science, math, medicine and other disciplines. The university had an average attendance of around 25,000 students. Surly, some Greek thinkers were in attendance.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 06:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair enough, Steve.  I&#039;ll gladly concede that, not only are you more qualified to comment on Medieval matters than I am (if your credentials are true, and I&#039;ll give you the benefit of the doubt that they are), but that I read your first post too fast and commented in haste.

But perhaps you&#039;ll consider why these &#039;fads&#039; spring up; why in this case the Medieval Vindicationalists have gone to the other extreme: they are tired of one era (or party as the case may be) getting short shrift and being immediately dismissed, especially if it happens to be of particular interest to them.  In my case, as an English grad who had a penchant for both Medieval and Renaissance literature, your dismissal seemed peremptory at best, and yes, condescending at worst.

The clamor of voices trying to redeem the Middle Ages may be misguided and overblown, sure.  You may find it annoying that people perceive themselves as edgy.  I for one did not consider myself that, in the least.  But if it leads to people stepping back and eyeing periods of history with a somewhat more critical gaze and questioning the tired cliches of their High School History books, isn&#039;t that worth something?  As Coffee Zombie says, they will become reacquainted with the truth a few years down the road; and if nothing else, the brief fad may have taught them to be less complacent about their study and appreciation of history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, Steve.  I&#8217;ll gladly concede that, not only are you more qualified to comment on Medieval matters than I am (if your credentials are true, and I&#8217;ll give you the benefit of the doubt that they are), but that I read your first post too fast and commented in haste.</p>
<p>But perhaps you&#8217;ll consider why these &#8216;fads&#8217; spring up; why in this case the Medieval Vindicationalists have gone to the other extreme: they are tired of one era (or party as the case may be) getting short shrift and being immediately dismissed, especially if it happens to be of particular interest to them.  In my case, as an English grad who had a penchant for both Medieval and Renaissance literature, your dismissal seemed peremptory at best, and yes, condescending at worst.</p>
<p>The clamor of voices trying to redeem the Middle Ages may be misguided and overblown, sure.  You may find it annoying that people perceive themselves as edgy.  I for one did not consider myself that, in the least.  But if it leads to people stepping back and eyeing periods of history with a somewhat more critical gaze and questioning the tired cliches of their High School History books, isn&#8217;t that worth something?  As Coffee Zombie says, they will become reacquainted with the truth a few years down the road; and if nothing else, the brief fad may have taught them to be less complacent about their study and appreciation of history.</p>
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		<title>By: MNPilot</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/30/history-of-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-123112</link>
		<dc:creator>MNPilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 00:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m simply reiterating prior comments when I say that this is likely to be one of the most needed, practical, and enlightening series on this website.  

If I may, I&#039;d like to toss a couple of names into the suggested-reading hat.  The following have helped me maneuver through arguments and debates without letting emotions take control and drive my reasoning off a cliff.

First, &quot;Thank You for Arguing&quot; by Jay Heinrichs.  Written in 2007, the book is an easy read that explains a wide variety of rhetorical principles with many pop-culture references.  While the flow of the book could be accused of &quot;jumping around&quot; a bit too much, I found the book to be an easy place to start.

Second, &quot;How to Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic&quot; by Madsen Pirie is a must.  Essentially a witty reference book of logical fallacies, the true highlight is in the author&#039;s instruction on how to cunningly use these fallacies to win arguments when it is called for.  Rhetorically unethical?  Maybe.  Rhetorically rewarding?  Absolutely.

Lastly, while I haven&#039;t yet read them yet, I&#039;ve heard strong praise for &quot;A Handlist of Rhetorical Terms&quot; and &quot;Encyclopedia of Rhetoric.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m simply reiterating prior comments when I say that this is likely to be one of the most needed, practical, and enlightening series on this website.  </p>
<p>If I may, I&#8217;d like to toss a couple of names into the suggested-reading hat.  The following have helped me maneuver through arguments and debates without letting emotions take control and drive my reasoning off a cliff.</p>
<p>First, &#8220;Thank You for Arguing&#8221; by Jay Heinrichs.  Written in 2007, the book is an easy read that explains a wide variety of rhetorical principles with many pop-culture references.  While the flow of the book could be accused of &#8220;jumping around&#8221; a bit too much, I found the book to be an easy place to start.</p>
<p>Second, &#8220;How to Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic&#8221; by Madsen Pirie is a must.  Essentially a witty reference book of logical fallacies, the true highlight is in the author&#8217;s instruction on how to cunningly use these fallacies to win arguments when it is called for.  Rhetorically unethical?  Maybe.  Rhetorically rewarding?  Absolutely.</p>
<p>Lastly, while I haven&#8217;t yet read them yet, I&#8217;ve heard strong praise for &#8220;A Handlist of Rhetorical Terms&#8221; and &#8220;Encyclopedia of Rhetoric.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure these articles will be of great assistance to anyone. Looking forwar to the next one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure these articles will be of great assistance to anyone. Looking forwar to the next one.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy T</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/30/history-of-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-122352</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 06:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for this article,  It&#039;s sad to see that most schools are not teaching such an important skill. 

 I&#039;m interested to learn about rhetoric and also improve my public speaking skills, can anyone recommend me a book or a website where I can pick up some basics from?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this article,  It&#8217;s sad to see that most schools are not teaching such an important skill. </p>
<p> I&#8217;m interested to learn about rhetoric and also improve my public speaking skills, can anyone recommend me a book or a website where I can pick up some basics from?</p>
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