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		<title>By: Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/09/forging-the-bond-between-brothers/comment-page-1/#comment-315998</link>
		<dc:creator>Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was the only child until I was roughly 5. Being there was such an age gap, my younger brother always seemed to start fights and instigate until I retaliated and my parents stepped in. Being older and quite a deal smarter than he was, even at our younger, undeveloped age, I would always strategically place a contingency scenario if he stepped in and decided to try and mess with me. Typically, if he tried, and failed, he would cry and run to mom or dad and say I hit him or some other such nonsense, unknown to me. Most of the time, they would believe him, which only added to the level of resentment I had from him straight from the get go. We&#039;ve never truly gotten along, even though I&#039;m now 19 and in the US Army, which saddens my parents quite a great deal. It&#039;s hard to overcome a deep seated dislike for someone who turned your own parents against you time after time.

However, my next little brother was different. 4 years younger than my now 14 year old younger brother, he wants nothing more than to be exactly like me. He walks like me, talks like me, and does NOT under any circumstances let our middle brother get his own way over him. I&#039;d almost be proud of him if I didn&#039;t know I would one day have to compete with him in some way or another. Still, at his birth, I essentially raised him, with my parents working and my grandmother succumbing to surgery after surgery to give her the ability to walk again. I made his bottles, changed his diapers, played with him, even with a 9 year age gap.

So personally, I think a lot of the dislike and hatred some siblings have comes from where their state of mind was when the other child entered the picture. I was old enough to understand and cooperate with my youngest of two brothers, but neither of us get along with the middle brother, due to his snarky and downright rude attitude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was the only child until I was roughly 5. Being there was such an age gap, my younger brother always seemed to start fights and instigate until I retaliated and my parents stepped in. Being older and quite a deal smarter than he was, even at our younger, undeveloped age, I would always strategically place a contingency scenario if he stepped in and decided to try and mess with me. Typically, if he tried, and failed, he would cry and run to mom or dad and say I hit him or some other such nonsense, unknown to me. Most of the time, they would believe him, which only added to the level of resentment I had from him straight from the get go. We&#8217;ve never truly gotten along, even though I&#8217;m now 19 and in the US Army, which saddens my parents quite a great deal. It&#8217;s hard to overcome a deep seated dislike for someone who turned your own parents against you time after time.</p>
<p>However, my next little brother was different. 4 years younger than my now 14 year old younger brother, he wants nothing more than to be exactly like me. He walks like me, talks like me, and does NOT under any circumstances let our middle brother get his own way over him. I&#8217;d almost be proud of him if I didn&#8217;t know I would one day have to compete with him in some way or another. Still, at his birth, I essentially raised him, with my parents working and my grandmother succumbing to surgery after surgery to give her the ability to walk again. I made his bottles, changed his diapers, played with him, even with a 9 year age gap.</p>
<p>So personally, I think a lot of the dislike and hatred some siblings have comes from where their state of mind was when the other child entered the picture. I was old enough to understand and cooperate with my youngest of two brothers, but neither of us get along with the middle brother, due to his snarky and downright rude attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/09/forging-the-bond-between-brothers/comment-page-1/#comment-268472</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 01:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have three brothers, and we are really close.  I am the youngest, the bottom three of us are one year apart each. My oldest brother is in the US military, and has taken after my dad.  We have all enjoyed each others company from the very beginning.  There is something understood between brothers, a special bond of sorts, where you don&#039;t even have to talk to each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have three brothers, and we are really close.  I am the youngest, the bottom three of us are one year apart each. My oldest brother is in the US military, and has taken after my dad.  We have all enjoyed each others company from the very beginning.  There is something understood between brothers, a special bond of sorts, where you don&#8217;t even have to talk to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/09/forging-the-bond-between-brothers/comment-page-1/#comment-124621</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 03:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if you have a sister, does this advice still apply? Are there any modifications that should be made? Or should you just give up on that relationship all together? (kidding)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you have a sister, does this advice still apply? Are there any modifications that should be made? Or should you just give up on that relationship all together? (kidding)</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 10:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, G9.  I&#039;m certain that many sibling relationships become broken beyond any hope of repair during a tempestuous youth.  However, I think the teenage years of most people could be likened to catching someone at their worst moment (albeit a moment that lasts many years), and I expect many relationships are forever coloured by impressions that became unfairly calcified many years ago.

F&#039;r&#039;instance, If you&#039;d met me last week at the end of a loooooooong flight back from Tokyo you&#039;d have quickly come to the conclusion that I was a short-tempered, humourless dick, and you would have gone away certain that you&#039;d never want to see me again.  It may not occur to you that my tremendous lack of appeal was caused by a 20-hour trip in taxis, on trains and crammed into a tiny seat in an airless tube (think Steve Martin in Planes, Trains and Automobiles).  Your conclusion would have been accurate at that moment but after a good sleep and a visit to the pub I&#039;d be back to my old, cheerful self while your impression would remain the same. 

Of course it&#039;s just as likely that an estranged brother is still the unpleasant moron he was while you were growing up.  Not everyone improves with age, we can&#039;t choose our family and some people, unfortunately, are born assholes and will forever remain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, G9.  I&#8217;m certain that many sibling relationships become broken beyond any hope of repair during a tempestuous youth.  However, I think the teenage years of most people could be likened to catching someone at their worst moment (albeit a moment that lasts many years), and I expect many relationships are forever coloured by impressions that became unfairly calcified many years ago.</p>
<p>F&#8217;r'instance, If you&#8217;d met me last week at the end of a loooooooong flight back from Tokyo you&#8217;d have quickly come to the conclusion that I was a short-tempered, humourless dick, and you would have gone away certain that you&#8217;d never want to see me again.  It may not occur to you that my tremendous lack of appeal was caused by a 20-hour trip in taxis, on trains and crammed into a tiny seat in an airless tube (think Steve Martin in Planes, Trains and Automobiles).  Your conclusion would have been accurate at that moment but after a good sleep and a visit to the pub I&#8217;d be back to my old, cheerful self while your impression would remain the same. </p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s just as likely that an estranged brother is still the unpleasant moron he was while you were growing up.  Not everyone improves with age, we can&#8217;t choose our family and some people, unfortunately, are born assholes and will forever remain.</p>
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		<title>By: G9</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/09/forging-the-bond-between-brothers/comment-page-1/#comment-120372</link>
		<dc:creator>G9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 11:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anyone considered that sometimes it is best for brothers to just go their seperate ways? That sometimes having someone in your life that is more detrimental than their presence is worth is grounds for a parting of ways?

If one gains nothing from a relationship with ones brother (while giving constantly), why would one keep that person in their life???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone considered that sometimes it is best for brothers to just go their seperate ways? That sometimes having someone in your life that is more detrimental than their presence is worth is grounds for a parting of ways?</p>
<p>If one gains nothing from a relationship with ones brother (while giving constantly), why would one keep that person in their life???</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!</p>
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		<title>By: Derk</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2010/11/09/forging-the-bond-between-brothers/comment-page-1/#comment-120323</link>
		<dc:creator>Derk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article. One of the best ways to get to know each other is to go on a trip. My brother and I healed wounds from gowing up together on that trip, got to know each other better and now fondly look back at that trip whenever we get together for a catchup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. One of the best ways to get to know each other is to go on a trip. My brother and I healed wounds from gowing up together on that trip, got to know each other better and now fondly look back at that trip whenever we get together for a catchup.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Much like the author I was a nuisance as a child.  More than a nuisance, in fact.  If I met my teenage self today I&#039;d kick my own ass with relish.  I was short, intelligent and cruel with a habit of starting (and losing) fights with kids much bigger than me well into my teens.  My older brother (by two years) took the brunt of my bad attitude, though, and his response tended to swing between entirely justifiable verbal retribution and bafflement.  He never once struck me but he was very skilled at twisting the knife with insults when I became particularly insufferable.  

I still don&#039;t understand what drove me to act like such an overwhelming pain in the ass but I&#039;m thankful that the intervening years seem to have erased (or at least dulled) that part of my personality.  In any case my brother and I had a tense relationship all the way into my early 20s - I&#039;d throw random and undeserved insults at him, he&#039;d be embarrassed and ashamed to be seen with me. 

What healed our relationship was a trip to Australia in my 21st year.  God knows why I thought it was a good idea to fly to the other side of the world to see him, or why he offered an invitation to spend a summer at his apartment in Melbourne, but I went.  He&#039;d been gone six months by this point on a year-long round the world trip, and from the moment he opened the door, groggy and hungover, at 5AM on a chilly St. Kilda morning I knew our time apart had magically fixed everything.

The next six weeks were a revelation.  As we sat around the apartment watching the 2002 World Cup with a steady supply of Victoria Bitter I realised that I&#039;d spent the best part of two decades missing out on a friendship with this incredible person: likeable, friendly, cool, knowledgeable, curious about the world and everything in it.  His positive attributes go on and on while his negatives would fit on the back of a postage stamp with room to spare.  

Almost a decade has passed since then, and each year has seen us grow closer.  I caught the travel bug from him (for which he has my eternal thanks) so we don&#039;t see each other as often as I&#039;d like, but thanks to the telephone and the Internet we always keep in touch no matter where I lay my hat.  

Last month I was lying in bed in my apartment in Ulaanbaatar (thanks, Scott) and my Mongolian girlfriend took it upon herself to list the things she likes about me.  When she was done I realised that every point she&#039;d mentioned - everything that makes me someone people want to be around, everything that makes me a good person - I share with my big brother.  So, to paraphrase Aaron Sorkin, if someone were to ask the question &#039;How are you different from your brother?&#039; my answer will always be this:

Hopefully in as few ways as possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much like the author I was a nuisance as a child.  More than a nuisance, in fact.  If I met my teenage self today I&#8217;d kick my own ass with relish.  I was short, intelligent and cruel with a habit of starting (and losing) fights with kids much bigger than me well into my teens.  My older brother (by two years) took the brunt of my bad attitude, though, and his response tended to swing between entirely justifiable verbal retribution and bafflement.  He never once struck me but he was very skilled at twisting the knife with insults when I became particularly insufferable.  </p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t understand what drove me to act like such an overwhelming pain in the ass but I&#8217;m thankful that the intervening years seem to have erased (or at least dulled) that part of my personality.  In any case my brother and I had a tense relationship all the way into my early 20s &#8211; I&#8217;d throw random and undeserved insults at him, he&#8217;d be embarrassed and ashamed to be seen with me. </p>
<p>What healed our relationship was a trip to Australia in my 21st year.  God knows why I thought it was a good idea to fly to the other side of the world to see him, or why he offered an invitation to spend a summer at his apartment in Melbourne, but I went.  He&#8217;d been gone six months by this point on a year-long round the world trip, and from the moment he opened the door, groggy and hungover, at 5AM on a chilly St. Kilda morning I knew our time apart had magically fixed everything.</p>
<p>The next six weeks were a revelation.  As we sat around the apartment watching the 2002 World Cup with a steady supply of Victoria Bitter I realised that I&#8217;d spent the best part of two decades missing out on a friendship with this incredible person: likeable, friendly, cool, knowledgeable, curious about the world and everything in it.  His positive attributes go on and on while his negatives would fit on the back of a postage stamp with room to spare.  </p>
<p>Almost a decade has passed since then, and each year has seen us grow closer.  I caught the travel bug from him (for which he has my eternal thanks) so we don&#8217;t see each other as often as I&#8217;d like, but thanks to the telephone and the Internet we always keep in touch no matter where I lay my hat.  </p>
<p>Last month I was lying in bed in my apartment in Ulaanbaatar (thanks, Scott) and my Mongolian girlfriend took it upon herself to list the things she likes about me.  When she was done I realised that every point she&#8217;d mentioned &#8211; everything that makes me someone people want to be around, everything that makes me a good person &#8211; I share with my big brother.  So, to paraphrase Aaron Sorkin, if someone were to ask the question &#8216;How are you different from your brother?&#8217; my answer will always be this:</p>
<p>Hopefully in as few ways as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 19:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am incredibly glad to dee a post on this subject. My little brother and I actually have the same age difference described in the post.  Like all brothers, we have our fair share of arguments... daily... over the stupidest of the stupid. I have always felt like i have had to &#039;protect&#039; him from the world and this has always caused a little bit of tension because I tried to act like more of an authority figure rather than a brother and friend.  As of late though, i have found that we are working together much better and hanging out  with more ease as i have sort of let that parental role go.  Maybe the most important thing we can do as older brothers is to let the &#039;small ones&#039; figure things out on their own with some much needed guidance, not direction, and advice of the &#039;older ones&#039; and to always be honest with them on everything.

and @steven c, man you gotta let some of that anger go man.  Believe me you will regret it later. Sit down and talk to your little brother.  Find the reason he is so distant and fix it.

Totally agree with John Smith, my brother and I have also gone through hell and back... a few times, but you&#039;re completely right! That has definitely made us closer!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am incredibly glad to dee a post on this subject. My little brother and I actually have the same age difference described in the post.  Like all brothers, we have our fair share of arguments&#8230; daily&#8230; over the stupidest of the stupid. I have always felt like i have had to &#8216;protect&#8217; him from the world and this has always caused a little bit of tension because I tried to act like more of an authority figure rather than a brother and friend.  As of late though, i have found that we are working together much better and hanging out  with more ease as i have sort of let that parental role go.  Maybe the most important thing we can do as older brothers is to let the &#8216;small ones&#8217; figure things out on their own with some much needed guidance, not direction, and advice of the &#8216;older ones&#8217; and to always be honest with them on everything.</p>
<p>and @steven c, man you gotta let some of that anger go man.  Believe me you will regret it later. Sit down and talk to your little brother.  Find the reason he is so distant and fix it.</p>
<p>Totally agree with John Smith, my brother and I have also gone through hell and back&#8230; a few times, but you&#8217;re completely right! That has definitely made us closer!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellant post. My younger brother and I are in this wierd, what i hope to be temporary phase. Our parents took the hands off approach never setting good example or giving us brotherly love advise. They had there own problems. I thought we would be closer when they slit but nope. Now I am off on my last year of college and he is still stuck with our mothers second husband. In all these four he never once called me. Sured we hang out when at home but he only uses me for my car. 

What the fuck do you want from me. I try and talk to you, figure out why your so damm closed off from me. Should i have not gone to college? Should I have finished off our step-father that one fateful night? Do you want to see me get a girlfriend? I tried to call tonight but you don&#039;t fucking care. I know you have pretty much emulated me in every way whether it is through the same music, diet, beliefs, anger. Are you too dam egotistic to know where I stood for you. 

I wish I had advice but i haven&#039;t earned that wisdom yet!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellant post. My younger brother and I are in this wierd, what i hope to be temporary phase. Our parents took the hands off approach never setting good example or giving us brotherly love advise. They had there own problems. I thought we would be closer when they slit but nope. Now I am off on my last year of college and he is still stuck with our mothers second husband. In all these four he never once called me. Sured we hang out when at home but he only uses me for my car. </p>
<p>What the fuck do you want from me. I try and talk to you, figure out why your so damm closed off from me. Should i have not gone to college? Should I have finished off our step-father that one fateful night? Do you want to see me get a girlfriend? I tried to call tonight but you don&#8217;t fucking care. I know you have pretty much emulated me in every way whether it is through the same music, diet, beliefs, anger. Are you too dam egotistic to know where I stood for you. </p>
<p>I wish I had advice but i haven&#8217;t earned that wisdom yet!</p>
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