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		<title>By: Mazzine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mazzine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is really cool and interesting, I love art. I  wonder what really inspired these artist to create what they had created.:O]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really cool and interesting, I love art. I  wonder what really inspired these artist to create what they had created.:O</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 02:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just discovered this article, and what fantastic timing. My wife and I just returned from an Italy vacation last week, and I have seen almost every piece of art in the article and discussed in the comments (my personal favorite was the Borghese Gallery - awesome Bernini works - yes even above the Uffizi, Accademia, etc). 

The most important thing I think I can add to the discussion is this: go see every one of these in person. The photos cannot and will not ever do them justice - they are meant to be viewed firsthand. Standing in front of Primavera or Michelangelo&#039;s Prisoners will forever change you, for the better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just discovered this article, and what fantastic timing. My wife and I just returned from an Italy vacation last week, and I have seen almost every piece of art in the article and discussed in the comments (my personal favorite was the Borghese Gallery &#8211; awesome Bernini works &#8211; yes even above the Uffizi, Accademia, etc). </p>
<p>The most important thing I think I can add to the discussion is this: go see every one of these in person. The photos cannot and will not ever do them justice &#8211; they are meant to be viewed firsthand. Standing in front of Primavera or Michelangelo&#8217;s Prisoners will forever change you, for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I&#039;m a fine art sculpture graduate, and my studies were about as manly as possible, within context. From pouring molten metals (iron, steel, bronze etc) to woodworking, stone-masonry, blacksmithing, clay modelling, etcetera, etcetera. There is something intrinsically manly about using your hands to make something yourself, not to mention standing around a furnace with all your buddies waiting for molten metal! 

Realism in art was actually achieved by the ancient Greek and Egyptian civilisations when they worked together. However shortly after they produced these fine figures they both went separate ways away from the &quot;perfect&quot; representation of the human form, after all that&#039;s what art of that kind is, a representation. The Renaissance was an effort to re-understand the world in the way that the Roman, Greek, Arabic and other classical cultures had, as well as the intellectual betterment of the people themselves.

Art has commentated on, and indeed aided the progression of social change (I wrote my dissertation on the subject! Guernica is an outstanding example), yet it has in fact been responsible for starting social change. A basic example is Warhols &quot;15 minutes of fame&quot;... Philosophically, if he hadn&#039;t said so, would people now have their spots on talent shows, faces in the papers etc, etc? We will never know for certain, but it may well have been a self fulfilling prophecy, for better or for worse...

And on the subject of the Renaissance, I feel Giambologna was left out of the comments so far, as his technical expertise in sculpture was phenomenal and is oft times forgotten (even though in the square where Michelangelo&#039;s David originally stood there are two of his sculptures including &quot;The Rape of the Sabine&quot;) Not to forget Cellini&#039;s bronze Perseus, the one that turned all the other sculptures in that square into stone...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m a fine art sculpture graduate, and my studies were about as manly as possible, within context. From pouring molten metals (iron, steel, bronze etc) to woodworking, stone-masonry, blacksmithing, clay modelling, etcetera, etcetera. There is something intrinsically manly about using your hands to make something yourself, not to mention standing around a furnace with all your buddies waiting for molten metal! </p>
<p>Realism in art was actually achieved by the ancient Greek and Egyptian civilisations when they worked together. However shortly after they produced these fine figures they both went separate ways away from the &#8220;perfect&#8221; representation of the human form, after all that&#8217;s what art of that kind is, a representation. The Renaissance was an effort to re-understand the world in the way that the Roman, Greek, Arabic and other classical cultures had, as well as the intellectual betterment of the people themselves.</p>
<p>Art has commentated on, and indeed aided the progression of social change (I wrote my dissertation on the subject! Guernica is an outstanding example), yet it has in fact been responsible for starting social change. A basic example is Warhols &#8220;15 minutes of fame&#8221;&#8230; Philosophically, if he hadn&#8217;t said so, would people now have their spots on talent shows, faces in the papers etc, etc? We will never know for certain, but it may well have been a self fulfilling prophecy, for better or for worse&#8230;</p>
<p>And on the subject of the Renaissance, I feel Giambologna was left out of the comments so far, as his technical expertise in sculpture was phenomenal and is oft times forgotten (even though in the square where Michelangelo&#8217;s David originally stood there are two of his sculptures including &#8220;The Rape of the Sabine&#8221;) Not to forget Cellini&#8217;s bronze Perseus, the one that turned all the other sculptures in that square into stone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 02:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an Art student undergrad (sculpture/ Digital media mostly) i gotta say every great change of social influence and thought had its artistic statements and comentaries that aided in the nessesary progression being caried out to its purposeful existance. like the change from Modernsm into Post modern thought and its socilogical ramifications, from how we see the worl to our ideas of self. THANK YOU ART!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Art student undergrad (sculpture/ Digital media mostly) i gotta say every great change of social influence and thought had its artistic statements and comentaries that aided in the nessesary progression being caried out to its purposeful existance. like the change from Modernsm into Post modern thought and its socilogical ramifications, from how we see the worl to our ideas of self. THANK YOU ART!</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice article, but I think there is an important factor to take into account.  Optics had existed for a few hundred years by the time the 1400&#039;s rolled around, but it had never been used as a tool in making art until then.  You mentioned the shift from flat 2D images in European art to a more realistic approach with perspective, combined with really dramatic shadows--these are symptoms of the use of optics as a tool for creating art work.  An artist could use a tool called a camera lucida, which was like a glass prism on a stick, to view both the subject and his canvas at the same time, thereby learning to draw things in a lifelike manner rather quickly.  The rich shadows were a byproduct of the intense light source required to utilize these tools.  An English artist named David Hockney wrote a book all about it called Secret Knowledge: Rediscovering the Lost Techniques of the Old Masters.  You should DEFINITELY check it out if you are interested in art, as it not only points out the influence of optics during the Renaissance, but how with the invention of photography (which relies almost entirely on optics to record images), painting began to react by changing from realism to abstract, starting a cat and mouse game between painting and photography that has lasted for 150+ years!  It is fascinating!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, but I think there is an important factor to take into account.  Optics had existed for a few hundred years by the time the 1400&#8242;s rolled around, but it had never been used as a tool in making art until then.  You mentioned the shift from flat 2D images in European art to a more realistic approach with perspective, combined with really dramatic shadows&#8211;these are symptoms of the use of optics as a tool for creating art work.  An artist could use a tool called a camera lucida, which was like a glass prism on a stick, to view both the subject and his canvas at the same time, thereby learning to draw things in a lifelike manner rather quickly.  The rich shadows were a byproduct of the intense light source required to utilize these tools.  An English artist named David Hockney wrote a book all about it called Secret Knowledge: Rediscovering the Lost Techniques of the Old Masters.  You should DEFINITELY check it out if you are interested in art, as it not only points out the influence of optics during the Renaissance, but how with the invention of photography (which relies almost entirely on optics to record images), painting began to react by changing from realism to abstract, starting a cat and mouse game between painting and photography that has lasted for 150+ years!  It is fascinating!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Mackey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article! Thanks for the informative read - looking forward to upcoming posts as well...Can we get a similar series on music appreciation/history?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! Thanks for the informative read &#8211; looking forward to upcoming posts as well&#8230;Can we get a similar series on music appreciation/history?</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article, balances out the boxing posts. Makes for total man reading!

Anyway there are some good text that cover this kind of though. One is by Gelb, &quot;How to Think Like Leonardo Da Vinci&quot; Really good stuff. Covers a bit of history on the renaissance, and Leo the Vinch but goes into modern and old techniques on developing a total humanistic mind (which includes body work as well.)

As a second note, I think its strange that art and technology have become separated. Terms like &quot;state if the art&quot; came from the renaissance when artists and engineers and designers were one and the same. Even the word technology is derived from the Greek word &quot;techne&quot; which means aesthetic art. Its so bizzare that our thinking has become so polarized. We live in a STRANGE time!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, balances out the boxing posts. Makes for total man reading!</p>
<p>Anyway there are some good text that cover this kind of though. One is by Gelb, &#8220;How to Think Like Leonardo Da Vinci&#8221; Really good stuff. Covers a bit of history on the renaissance, and Leo the Vinch but goes into modern and old techniques on developing a total humanistic mind (which includes body work as well.)</p>
<p>As a second note, I think its strange that art and technology have become separated. Terms like &#8220;state if the art&#8221; came from the renaissance when artists and engineers and designers were one and the same. Even the word technology is derived from the Greek word &#8220;techne&#8221; which means aesthetic art. Its so bizzare that our thinking has become so polarized. We live in a STRANGE time!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think all the comments on the icon are meant to say is that there isn&#039;t exactly a linear progression in art, as such, which was an impression I did get from the article - not saying that there was a value judgment anywhere, but I can see how one might infer one.  

Also, as a historian-in-training, I&#039;d like to point out that there wasn&#039;t a &quot;Byzantine period&quot; in Western Europe. In fact, the Byzantine Empire existed from the Classical period until into the Renaissance itself.  Byzantine culture was, largely, distinct from the Western European tradition that we&#039;re all familiar with, and was arguably regarded as quite alien, albeit Christian, by it&#039;s Western (Catholic) neighbors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all the comments on the icon are meant to say is that there isn&#8217;t exactly a linear progression in art, as such, which was an impression I did get from the article &#8211; not saying that there was a value judgment anywhere, but I can see how one might infer one.  </p>
<p>Also, as a historian-in-training, I&#8217;d like to point out that there wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;Byzantine period&#8221; in Western Europe. In fact, the Byzantine Empire existed from the Classical period until into the Renaissance itself.  Byzantine culture was, largely, distinct from the Western European tradition that we&#8217;re all familiar with, and was arguably regarded as quite alien, albeit Christian, by it&#8217;s Western (Catholic) neighbors.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While the comments made about iconography and so on are quite interesting, I feel I should point out that the post doesn&#039;t say anything about Renaissance art being better or worse than that of the Byzantine era. The two pieces are merely designed to show the great transformation art went through during this period, which I think it accomplishes. Whether perspective and realism is &quot;bad&quot; or &quot;good&quot; is as we see in the comments entirely dependent on your opinion and perspective-this is art after all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the comments made about iconography and so on are quite interesting, I feel I should point out that the post doesn&#8217;t say anything about Renaissance art being better or worse than that of the Byzantine era. The two pieces are merely designed to show the great transformation art went through during this period, which I think it accomplishes. Whether perspective and realism is &#8220;bad&#8221; or &#8220;good&#8221; is as we see in the comments entirely dependent on your opinion and perspective-this is art after all!</p>
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		<title>By: CoffeeZombie</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoffeeZombie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@billy d Sadly, the idea that Renaissance art was an improvement on the simple, primitive art that came before it is not a contemporary idea, but we&#039;ve inherited that idea from centuries of Westo-centric historical sources. The West has long had an interest in preserving the idea that the various movements, events, nations, etc. (Renaissance, Enlightenment, Holy Roman Empire, etc.) throughout Western History are the successors of the Roman Empire. The fact that the Roman Empire continued in East for centuries after the city of Rome itself fell (BTW, when Rome fell, it had not been the capital of the Empire for some time; it was Emperor St. Constantine who moved the Roman capital to Byzantium, which he renamed Constantinople) has long been conveniently ignored by the West, or the Empire and its achievements have been denigrated when they&#039;ve been acknowledged at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@billy d Sadly, the idea that Renaissance art was an improvement on the simple, primitive art that came before it is not a contemporary idea, but we&#8217;ve inherited that idea from centuries of Westo-centric historical sources. The West has long had an interest in preserving the idea that the various movements, events, nations, etc. (Renaissance, Enlightenment, Holy Roman Empire, etc.) throughout Western History are the successors of the Roman Empire. The fact that the Roman Empire continued in East for centuries after the city of Rome itself fell (BTW, when Rome fell, it had not been the capital of the Empire for some time; it was Emperor St. Constantine who moved the Roman capital to Byzantium, which he renamed Constantinople) has long been conveniently ignored by the West, or the Empire and its achievements have been denigrated when they&#8217;ve been acknowledged at all.</p>
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