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		<title>By: Indiana Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-107089</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 03:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The internet has a lot of stupid, stupid people.

Good interview.  Love the site.  Ignore the trolls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet has a lot of stupid, stupid people.</p>
<p>Good interview.  Love the site.  Ignore the trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: Studying Hippie-shit</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-99695</link>
		<dc:creator>Studying Hippie-shit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Set for life? You would think that MBA/PhD would have better things to do than practice thread necromancy, but I guess that&#039;s from all that free time. Shouldn&#039;t a business major be able to recognize trends and be ahead of them? With the exception of Ryan, your post came four month later, in the business world being that behind would be embarrassing wouldn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Set for life? You would think that MBA/PhD would have better things to do than practice thread necromancy, but I guess that&#8217;s from all that free time. Shouldn&#8217;t a business major be able to recognize trends and be ahead of them? With the exception of Ryan, your post came four month later, in the business world being that behind would be embarrassing wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: MBA/PhD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MBA/PhD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suckers! Got the MBA and PhD in business...set for life. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! Have fun studying English and Art and all that other hippie-shit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suckers! Got the MBA and PhD in business&#8230;set for life. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! Have fun studying English and Art and all that other hippie-shit.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m currently an undergrad studying for a Bachelor&#039;s (History - Social Sciences Secondary Education).  I&#039;m intending to join a district and use professional development programs to earn a Master&#039;s in History on the public dime.  Teaching at university is where I want to end up.  However I&#039;ve been told that, if the goal is a tenured position at a university or college, that I should just go from undergrad studies straight through grad school and TA to gain experience.  Any suggestions, Hunter Baker?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently an undergrad studying for a Bachelor&#8217;s (History &#8211; Social Sciences Secondary Education).  I&#8217;m intending to join a district and use professional development programs to earn a Master&#8217;s in History on the public dime.  Teaching at university is where I want to end up.  However I&#8217;ve been told that, if the goal is a tenured position at a university or college, that I should just go from undergrad studies straight through grad school and TA to gain experience.  Any suggestions, Hunter Baker?</p>
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		<title>By: Lugh</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-61184</link>
		<dc:creator>Lugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is late, but... I&#039;m curious. Is Education considered to be a liberal art or a professional field? I&#039;m currently studying for a BS in Education, and while I obviously want to be a teacher, I&#039;m considering the idea of attempting to end up as either a school principal, or a professor of Education. If I want to be a principal, should I stop with a Master&#039;s? Will I be &quot;overqualified&quot; otherwise?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is late, but&#8230; I&#8217;m curious. Is Education considered to be a liberal art or a professional field? I&#8217;m currently studying for a BS in Education, and while I obviously want to be a teacher, I&#8217;m considering the idea of attempting to end up as either a school principal, or a professor of Education. If I want to be a principal, should I stop with a Master&#8217;s? Will I be &#8220;overqualified&#8221; otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: Thinkerer</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-56319</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinkerer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a PhD in engineering and walked into a tenure-track job directly out of grad school (through sheer dumb luck and a lot of prep work), although I had industry and consulting experience between my MS and PhD.  I am now tenured at a research oriented institution and enjoy reading about the experiences of &quot;liberal arts&quot; graduates.

If you&#039;re in an undersubscribed technical field, there will be more complications because you will be deciding between a relatively lucrative job in industry that gives you a lot of resources but little in the way of choice in what you work on or job security, and a university gig with a shot at tenure which guarantees nothing in terms of resources but complete discretion in what you do and how you do it, and allows you to do it essentially for life.

Have no illusions though - whether you find the profession joyous or utterly frustrating (most of us find it both at times), you will be judged on &quot;output&quot;, and this usually comes down to cold, hard cash and numbers of publications.    If you don&#039;t have funding and lots of it, the publications won&#039;t be forthcoming so essentially you&#039;re a used car salesman being judged on your &quot;numbers&quot;.  Some schools such as MIT have a direct formulation for this - so many dollars per year per square foot of lab space.

You are hired to filter money out of any institution you can find, give more than half of it to the university (we lose 57% off the top) and then spend the rest on students, equipment and publication costs.  If you&#039;re lucky, you may be able to pay for a few &quot;summer months&quot; of salary since you&#039;re on a 9-month appointment anyway but most of the time it gets eaten up in student salaries (student pay, plus their tuition costs and benefits which goes back to the university again).  A graduate student currently costs approximately $50,000+ per year in &quot;raw&quot; funding to keep in the lab at a dismal final salary (ca. 20K per year).

Note that teaching hasn&#039;t been mentioned here, since it is a non-priority at research universities.  Nobody who brings in a lot of research funding has ever been denied tenure or otherwise penalized because they&#039;re a lousy teacher.  Bring in enough money and teach poorly and you&#039;ll find that you&#039;re simply not asked to teach.  Fortunately, for the most part, faculty take both their teaching and their responsibilities to students very seriously as a matter of professionalism - in my 20 years here I have never heard a sexist or racist comment about students, which I find remarkable and admirable.

Why do it?  Because you&#039;re free to indulge your mind, free to take on any task you can make work and free to tell your boss &quot;no&quot; when it becomes necessary.  This last one is important because, unfortunately, university administrations hire the brightest people they can find and expect them to be selectively stupid about poor management methods and decisions, so the hard-won tenure that was originally awarded to avoid retribution for unpopular opinions or public criticism is often used for bureaucratic infighting.

It&#039;s quite a ride, and requires both hard work and a good sense of balance so that your personal life doesn&#039;t disappear among the many demands, but I don&#039;t regret it for a moment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a PhD in engineering and walked into a tenure-track job directly out of grad school (through sheer dumb luck and a lot of prep work), although I had industry and consulting experience between my MS and PhD.  I am now tenured at a research oriented institution and enjoy reading about the experiences of &#8220;liberal arts&#8221; graduates.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in an undersubscribed technical field, there will be more complications because you will be deciding between a relatively lucrative job in industry that gives you a lot of resources but little in the way of choice in what you work on or job security, and a university gig with a shot at tenure which guarantees nothing in terms of resources but complete discretion in what you do and how you do it, and allows you to do it essentially for life.</p>
<p>Have no illusions though &#8211; whether you find the profession joyous or utterly frustrating (most of us find it both at times), you will be judged on &#8220;output&#8221;, and this usually comes down to cold, hard cash and numbers of publications.    If you don&#8217;t have funding and lots of it, the publications won&#8217;t be forthcoming so essentially you&#8217;re a used car salesman being judged on your &#8220;numbers&#8221;.  Some schools such as MIT have a direct formulation for this &#8211; so many dollars per year per square foot of lab space.</p>
<p>You are hired to filter money out of any institution you can find, give more than half of it to the university (we lose 57% off the top) and then spend the rest on students, equipment and publication costs.  If you&#8217;re lucky, you may be able to pay for a few &#8220;summer months&#8221; of salary since you&#8217;re on a 9-month appointment anyway but most of the time it gets eaten up in student salaries (student pay, plus their tuition costs and benefits which goes back to the university again).  A graduate student currently costs approximately $50,000+ per year in &#8220;raw&#8221; funding to keep in the lab at a dismal final salary (ca. 20K per year).</p>
<p>Note that teaching hasn&#8217;t been mentioned here, since it is a non-priority at research universities.  Nobody who brings in a lot of research funding has ever been denied tenure or otherwise penalized because they&#8217;re a lousy teacher.  Bring in enough money and teach poorly and you&#8217;ll find that you&#8217;re simply not asked to teach.  Fortunately, for the most part, faculty take both their teaching and their responsibilities to students very seriously as a matter of professionalism &#8211; in my 20 years here I have never heard a sexist or racist comment about students, which I find remarkable and admirable.</p>
<p>Why do it?  Because you&#8217;re free to indulge your mind, free to take on any task you can make work and free to tell your boss &#8220;no&#8221; when it becomes necessary.  This last one is important because, unfortunately, university administrations hire the brightest people they can find and expect them to be selectively stupid about poor management methods and decisions, so the hard-won tenure that was originally awarded to avoid retribution for unpopular opinions or public criticism is often used for bureaucratic infighting.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite a ride, and requires both hard work and a good sense of balance so that your personal life doesn&#8217;t disappear among the many demands, but I don&#8217;t regret it for a moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I chose a slightly different approach that has certainly worked well for me... After completing my doctorate in Astronomy, I looked at the teaching prospects in colleges and universities and decided that the prospects were not pretty for a married man (with two young children) who didn&#039;t want to move every three years and who wanted to make more than minimum wage and needed benefits to boot. So I spent several busy months looking around and finally secured a sweet position teaching Astronomy and Physics _at the High School level_ in a posh suburb of one of our major American cities. Twenty-five years later, I make close to six figures, plus benefits, I have summers off, and teach the &quot;cream of the crop&quot; students in the school. The work has been very intellectually stimulating and has been a great choice for me. I will retire in 5 years (at 55!) will a great pension. High schools need smart teachers... those with a PhD should consider such work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I chose a slightly different approach that has certainly worked well for me&#8230; After completing my doctorate in Astronomy, I looked at the teaching prospects in colleges and universities and decided that the prospects were not pretty for a married man (with two young children) who didn&#8217;t want to move every three years and who wanted to make more than minimum wage and needed benefits to boot. So I spent several busy months looking around and finally secured a sweet position teaching Astronomy and Physics _at the High School level_ in a posh suburb of one of our major American cities. Twenty-five years later, I make close to six figures, plus benefits, I have summers off, and teach the &#8220;cream of the crop&#8221; students in the school. The work has been very intellectually stimulating and has been a great choice for me. I will retire in 5 years (at 55!) will a great pension. High schools need smart teachers&#8230; those with a PhD should consider such work.</p>
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		<title>By: Christatos Aristad</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-38192</link>
		<dc:creator>Christatos Aristad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article is of particular interest to me because if I had not become a gambler, I probably would have pursued a doctorate in statistics or higher math and tried to teach in a collegiate setting. It&#039;s interesting to see what might have been.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is of particular interest to me because if I had not become a gambler, I probably would have pursued a doctorate in statistics or higher math and tried to teach in a collegiate setting. It&#8217;s interesting to see what might have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/comment-page-1/#comment-36819</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad I came across this interview. I&#039;ve been in a personal battle over where to direct my focus after my undergrad degree. I love to learn and share – especially on the subjects of faith, and politics – so the prospect of engaging young minds sounds wonderful. Law school seems to be the channel through which many of the big players in the Great Debate arrive, though I have no interest whatsoever in being a lawyer, so I&#039;m trying to figure that one out. 

I am 27 and married, so the next hurdle is trying to provide a stable family environment while advancing my academic career. Perhaps a Ph.D. will have to wait until my future children are out of the house!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I came across this interview. I&#8217;ve been in a personal battle over where to direct my focus after my undergrad degree. I love to learn and share – especially on the subjects of faith, and politics – so the prospect of engaging young minds sounds wonderful. Law school seems to be the channel through which many of the big players in the Great Debate arrive, though I have no interest whatsoever in being a lawyer, so I&#8217;m trying to figure that one out. </p>
<p>I am 27 and married, so the next hurdle is trying to provide a stable family environment while advancing my academic career. Perhaps a Ph.D. will have to wait until my future children are out of the house!</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CEOmum, when your boy goes to college, he&#039;ll be exploring careers *by* exploring majors.  He might also take a career development class.  When he finds what he loves, unless it&#039;s in the arts maybe, he should be able to find a financially stables career that touches on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CEOmum, when your boy goes to college, he&#8217;ll be exploring careers *by* exploring majors.  He might also take a career development class.  When he finds what he loves, unless it&#8217;s in the arts maybe, he should be able to find a financially stables career that touches on it.</p>
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