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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 00:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I made something similar in my basement.  They are NOT coming out.  Just a two shelf unit to keep suitcases, Christmas and other holiday decorations, etc off the floor.

I used 9 8&#039; long 2x4&#039;s  and two 4x8 pieces of 1/2&quot; plywood.

Framed up a rectangle of 2x4&#039;s to frame under the sheets of plywood and cut an additional piece for the center. 

I saved the longer halves of the 2x4&#039;s cut for the frames to make the vertical supports.  What I had left determined the height of the top shelf.  I mounted the bottom about 1&#039; off the ground.

I&#039;ve found I didn&#039;t need diagonal bracing, but then again, my shelves are only about 51&quot; tall and the 2x4 frame under the shelves provide a pretty rigid structure.

It&#039;s strong enough I can get up on them, and I&#039;m about 240#.

I can build two of these for the same price as some pre-made units. 

I could make the movable by using different hardware to assemble them.  The wood screws installed with the drill could be replaced with lag bolts, nuts and washers to make this something that could be disassembled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made something similar in my basement.  They are NOT coming out.  Just a two shelf unit to keep suitcases, Christmas and other holiday decorations, etc off the floor.</p>
<p>I used 9 8&#8242; long 2&#215;4&#8242;s  and two 4&#215;8 pieces of 1/2&#8243; plywood.</p>
<p>Framed up a rectangle of 2&#215;4&#8242;s to frame under the sheets of plywood and cut an additional piece for the center. </p>
<p>I saved the longer halves of the 2&#215;4&#8242;s cut for the frames to make the vertical supports.  What I had left determined the height of the top shelf.  I mounted the bottom about 1&#8242; off the ground.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found I didn&#8217;t need diagonal bracing, but then again, my shelves are only about 51&#8243; tall and the 2&#215;4 frame under the shelves provide a pretty rigid structure.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s strong enough I can get up on them, and I&#8217;m about 240#.</p>
<p>I can build two of these for the same price as some pre-made units. </p>
<p>I could make the movable by using different hardware to assemble them.  The wood screws installed with the drill could be replaced with lag bolts, nuts and washers to make this something that could be disassembled.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason C</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/06/30/how-to-build-sturdy-basement-shelves/comment-page-1/#comment-42517</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To increase stability, decrease time and labor, and limit costs, I did the following:

-buy some #8 wood screws in 3&quot; and 1 1/4&quot; lengths
-buy 2, 4x8 plywood sheets (5/8&quot; works well and is most cost-effective for price vs. sturdiness) cut lenghtwise into thirds (each approx 16&quot; wide) (to save time and ease transport I always had the hardware store cut these for me)
-buy 10, 8&#039; 2x3&#039;s, and cut 16&quot; off the top of 8, and cut the last 2 into 16&quot; lengths
-using 2 of the long 2x3&#039;s, make a ladder-shaped box structure by fitting 5 of the 16&quot; 2x3 cut-offs in between them like ladder rungs (make sure the top and bottom &quot;rungs&quot; are fastened at the very top and bottom ends of the 2 long 2x3&#039;s) (make 4 &quot;ladder&quot; box structures in total) (the &quot;rungs&quot; determine shelf heights, so use less rungs if you want more space in between shelves, and ensure the rungs are all the same height as each corresponding rung in each &quot;ladder&quot; box) (fasten using 2 of the 3&quot; screws for each side of each rung, screwing through the side of the upright 2x3&#039;s into the ends of the horizontal 16&quot; pieces between them)
-now the shelf is ready to be put up - and it is very easy for 1 person, but even easier with 2 - stand the 4 &quot;ladder&quot; boxes up together and slide a plywood strip between them at the bottom and then the third level up - spread the &quot;ladder&quot; boxes apart until there are 2 at each end of the plywood strips, and 2 evenly spaced in the middle
-fasten the plywood down to each rung with the 1 1/4&quot; screws (2 for each rung)
-slide the other plywood sheets into place on the other shelf levels, and one at the very top (you will have 1 16&quot; wide plywood sheet leftover (in total I made 3 of these, so this leftover was not wasted) and fasten down just like the others

These have always been sturdy, and have never tilted sideways.  It takes 5-10 minutes to put them up and take them down once the &quot;ladder&quot; boxes are made (in the military I move a lot, so I wanted shelves that could survive multiple set-ups and take-downs).  In total, for 1 shelf, the project costs (in Canada):

-plywood and 2x3&#039;s = $40
-screws = $10]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To increase stability, decrease time and labor, and limit costs, I did the following:</p>
<p>-buy some #8 wood screws in 3&#8243; and 1 1/4&#8243; lengths<br />
-buy 2, 4&#215;8 plywood sheets (5/8&#8243; works well and is most cost-effective for price vs. sturdiness) cut lenghtwise into thirds (each approx 16&#8243; wide) (to save time and ease transport I always had the hardware store cut these for me)<br />
-buy 10, 8&#8242; 2&#215;3&#8242;s, and cut 16&#8243; off the top of 8, and cut the last 2 into 16&#8243; lengths<br />
-using 2 of the long 2&#215;3&#8242;s, make a ladder-shaped box structure by fitting 5 of the 16&#8243; 2&#215;3 cut-offs in between them like ladder rungs (make sure the top and bottom &#8220;rungs&#8221; are fastened at the very top and bottom ends of the 2 long 2&#215;3&#8242;s) (make 4 &#8220;ladder&#8221; box structures in total) (the &#8220;rungs&#8221; determine shelf heights, so use less rungs if you want more space in between shelves, and ensure the rungs are all the same height as each corresponding rung in each &#8220;ladder&#8221; box) (fasten using 2 of the 3&#8243; screws for each side of each rung, screwing through the side of the upright 2&#215;3&#8242;s into the ends of the horizontal 16&#8243; pieces between them)<br />
-now the shelf is ready to be put up &#8211; and it is very easy for 1 person, but even easier with 2 &#8211; stand the 4 &#8220;ladder&#8221; boxes up together and slide a plywood strip between them at the bottom and then the third level up &#8211; spread the &#8220;ladder&#8221; boxes apart until there are 2 at each end of the plywood strips, and 2 evenly spaced in the middle<br />
-fasten the plywood down to each rung with the 1 1/4&#8243; screws (2 for each rung)<br />
-slide the other plywood sheets into place on the other shelf levels, and one at the very top (you will have 1 16&#8243; wide plywood sheet leftover (in total I made 3 of these, so this leftover was not wasted) and fasten down just like the others</p>
<p>These have always been sturdy, and have never tilted sideways.  It takes 5-10 minutes to put them up and take them down once the &#8220;ladder&#8221; boxes are made (in the military I move a lot, so I wanted shelves that could survive multiple set-ups and take-downs).  In total, for 1 shelf, the project costs (in Canada):</p>
<p>-plywood and 2&#215;3&#8242;s = $40<br />
-screws = $10</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/06/30/how-to-build-sturdy-basement-shelves/comment-page-1/#comment-34840</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should have included my costs.  I paid about $70 total, including a tool (the chalk line).  I had a few 1x2&#039;s already, and didn&#039;t need to buy the screws; this wouldn&#039;t have been much anyway.  The biggest expense was the plywood; it ran me about $40.  I got my materials at Lowe&#039;s; YMMV.

I already have something like a Gorilla rack; I like it, but it doesn&#039;t hold nearly as much and it&#039;s not nearly as stable.  (Bolting it to the wall would fix the stability, but would be difficult in my basement, which has cinder-block walls.)  Pricing Gorilla racks at Amazon, I found that $70 would get me five 30x12 shelves, rather than the five 96x24 shelves I have.  Not the best deal!  Or there&#039;s the 72x24, three shelves, for $190...not for me either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have included my costs.  I paid about $70 total, including a tool (the chalk line).  I had a few 1&#215;2&#8242;s already, and didn&#8217;t need to buy the screws; this wouldn&#8217;t have been much anyway.  The biggest expense was the plywood; it ran me about $40.  I got my materials at Lowe&#8217;s; YMMV.</p>
<p>I already have something like a Gorilla rack; I like it, but it doesn&#8217;t hold nearly as much and it&#8217;s not nearly as stable.  (Bolting it to the wall would fix the stability, but would be difficult in my basement, which has cinder-block walls.)  Pricing Gorilla racks at Amazon, I found that $70 would get me five 30&#215;12 shelves, rather than the five 96&#215;24 shelves I have.  Not the best deal!  Or there&#8217;s the 72&#215;24, three shelves, for $190&#8230;not for me either.</p>
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		<title>By: lady brett</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/06/30/how-to-build-sturdy-basement-shelves/comment-page-1/#comment-34832</link>
		<dc:creator>lady brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[but, norm, maybe this &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; spending more time with your family. take your son and daughter to the shed, shop or basement to help you fashion your own shelves - it&#039;ll be higher quality family time than an outing to buy more stuff.

of course, i&#039;m biased; i practically grew up in my dad&#039;s shop. wouldn&#039;t give that up for the world. and now i can do my own repairs at home - it&#039;s win-win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but, norm, maybe this <i>is</i> spending more time with your family. take your son and daughter to the shed, shop or basement to help you fashion your own shelves &#8211; it&#8217;ll be higher quality family time than an outing to buy more stuff.</p>
<p>of course, i&#8217;m biased; i practically grew up in my dad&#8217;s shop. wouldn&#8217;t give that up for the world. and now i can do my own repairs at home &#8211; it&#8217;s win-win.</p>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why bother?
Just go to IKEA make an inexpensive purchase and spend more time with your family.

www.bignmorn.net]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why bother?<br />
Just go to IKEA make an inexpensive purchase and spend more time with your family.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bignmorn.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.bignmorn.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I&#039;ve been there done that.

Not to put a cold wash on the idea but it guesstimates at about $50 just for the 27 support pieces. Then the cost adds up with plywood if you do not keep such things hanging around. Nails and screws. Then there are the men among us who will also get a new tool or two for such a project, God is pleased by a fine working tool, as we all know.

A Gorilla rack at Costco was about $80, takes way less time, and can be easily dissassembled/moved/customized.

Not EVERY thing  is about money, a Gorilla rack leaves no sense of accomplishment. But it IS biblical to count the costs. AND I cut my hand the other day taking it apart, leaving a pride-boosting humbling yet manly injury, that I did NOT complain to anyone about. AND my wife hit the thing with the car so a steel support corner got bent. THAT was pretty manly pounding it straight, lots of cool shop sounds, sweat and blood. 

A prefabricated steel rack is a lesser thing, but I managed to get some testosterone out of it anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;ve been there done that.</p>
<p>Not to put a cold wash on the idea but it guesstimates at about $50 just for the 27 support pieces. Then the cost adds up with plywood if you do not keep such things hanging around. Nails and screws. Then there are the men among us who will also get a new tool or two for such a project, God is pleased by a fine working tool, as we all know.</p>
<p>A Gorilla rack at Costco was about $80, takes way less time, and can be easily dissassembled/moved/customized.</p>
<p>Not EVERY thing  is about money, a Gorilla rack leaves no sense of accomplishment. But it IS biblical to count the costs. AND I cut my hand the other day taking it apart, leaving a pride-boosting humbling yet manly injury, that I did NOT complain to anyone about. AND my wife hit the thing with the car so a steel support corner got bent. THAT was pretty manly pounding it straight, lots of cool shop sounds, sweat and blood. </p>
<p>A prefabricated steel rack is a lesser thing, but I managed to get some testosterone out of it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Hampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just about to take on a project just like this to expand our food storage in the basement.  Thanks AofM!

And thanks for the excellent 30 days to a better man series.  That was top rate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just about to take on a project just like this to expand our food storage in the basement.  Thanks AofM!</p>
<p>And thanks for the excellent 30 days to a better man series.  That was top rate!</p>
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		<title>By: lady brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>lady brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[those look great! i like the lack of clutter the half-shelves give.

with regard to the measurements of the 2x2s, etc., that is perfectly normal. lumber is sold under the dimensions it is originally cut (say 2 inches by 4 inches), but then it is milled so that the finish will be more smooth and the size more uniform, which shears a half-inch off of each dimension (lengthwise). hence the 1 1/2 inch 2x2s. of course, as you say, always measure &#039;cause that&#039;s just a general case. and some more craft-oriented woods will be exactly the size they say!

also, one thing i&#039;ve found helpful for stabilizing bookshelves is to add a &quot;kickplate&quot;. It&#039;s not really something you can add after the fact, but it&#039;s not hard if you plan it in. Simply get a 1x4 the width of your shelves, make the sides extend 3 1/2&quot; (the height of the 1x4) below the bottom shelf, and screw/nail in the 1x4 in the space below. if you set it back - like, &quot;inside&quot; - about a half-inch it won&#039;t be very visible and will add greater stability. plus, for bookshelves it gives it a somewhat more &quot;finished&quot; look.

i hope that made sense - hard to explain hands-on without visuals!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>those look great! i like the lack of clutter the half-shelves give.</p>
<p>with regard to the measurements of the 2x2s, etc., that is perfectly normal. lumber is sold under the dimensions it is originally cut (say 2 inches by 4 inches), but then it is milled so that the finish will be more smooth and the size more uniform, which shears a half-inch off of each dimension (lengthwise). hence the 1 1/2 inch 2x2s. of course, as you say, always measure &#8217;cause that&#8217;s just a general case. and some more craft-oriented woods will be exactly the size they say!</p>
<p>also, one thing i&#8217;ve found helpful for stabilizing bookshelves is to add a &#8220;kickplate&#8221;. It&#8217;s not really something you can add after the fact, but it&#8217;s not hard if you plan it in. Simply get a 1&#215;4 the width of your shelves, make the sides extend 3 1/2&#8243; (the height of the 1&#215;4) below the bottom shelf, and screw/nail in the 1&#215;4 in the space below. if you set it back &#8211; like, &#8220;inside&#8221; &#8211; about a half-inch it won&#8217;t be very visible and will add greater stability. plus, for bookshelves it gives it a somewhat more &#8220;finished&#8221; look.</p>
<p>i hope that made sense &#8211; hard to explain hands-on without visuals!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I built some shelving units to about these same dimensions, but I used 1/2&quot; plywood for the shelves so I wouldn&#039;t need as many supports. I also cut notches in the uprights to support the cross pieces so I had wood supporting the weight on the shelves instead of depending on the shear strength of the screws. The shelves are solid (my kids have climbed all over them), freestanding so I can move them, and there is no need for the diagonals, which block access in this example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I built some shelving units to about these same dimensions, but I used 1/2&#8243; plywood for the shelves so I wouldn&#8217;t need as many supports. I also cut notches in the uprights to support the cross pieces so I had wood supporting the weight on the shelves instead of depending on the shear strength of the screws. The shelves are solid (my kids have climbed all over them), freestanding so I can move them, and there is no need for the diagonals, which block access in this example.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as stability goes, the diagonals are a good start, but you could also reinforce some of the corners with metal angle brackets.  These are just pieces of metal about 1/8&quot; thick bent into a right angle.  Don&#039;t let their small thickness fool you, they can be quite strong, especially if you&#039;re just using them to reinforce a structure that is already reasonably solid on its own.  They come in other thicknesses, and depending on how strong they are, you may not need wooden diagonals at all.  You can find them in some form in most hardware stores.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as stability goes, the diagonals are a good start, but you could also reinforce some of the corners with metal angle brackets.  These are just pieces of metal about 1/8&#8243; thick bent into a right angle.  Don&#8217;t let their small thickness fool you, they can be quite strong, especially if you&#8217;re just using them to reinforce a structure that is already reasonably solid on its own.  They come in other thicknesses, and depending on how strong they are, you may not need wooden diagonals at all.  You can find them in some form in most hardware stores.</p>
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