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		<title>By: Hitler</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/05/21/on-being-given-much/comment-page-1/#comment-29206</link>
		<dc:creator>Hitler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[-bobm

&quot;Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.&quot;

There is one greater love - to lay down your life for your enemies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-bobm</p>
<p>&#8220;Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.&#8221;</p>
<p>There is one greater love &#8211; to lay down your life for your enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 10:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[very nice &amp; interesting. good luck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very nice &amp; interesting. good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 04:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Brucifer, Simon, Adam, and others:

&gt; My reaction to the posted article Brett, was based upon seeing WAY too much
&gt; of late in the way of overly lauding the “greatest generation” and the so-called
&gt; “good war.” As both you and I would most certainly like to see, our national
&gt; mythologies oftentimes uplift our personal behavior and the conduct of our 
&gt; republic. But they sometimes also blind us to some historic truths.


I was a child during Vietnam and so had no real opinion about that conflict at the time, and there&#039;s no doubt that the way Vietnam vets were treated by elements of the public was disgraceful (both in my own country of Australia and in the US). It&#039;s a dead-set shame that such things happened, and FWIW, I respect and admire the men who served there. I&#039;ll always cheer just as heartily at military parades for Vietnam vets as well as WWII vets.

Having said that, as a civilian and someone who has had the good fortune not to have had to go to war, it seems that anyone who wants to admire soldiers these days is damned either way. If we laud them and admire them we are told that we&#039;re naive and innocent of the horrors and realities of war; if we decry them for fighting we&#039;re told that we&#039;re ungrateful for their sacrifice. 

My own opinion is that I will honour brave men and women whereever I find them, regardless of their circumstances. I know war is hell; not from personal experience, but from listening to and reading the experiences of those who went to war and spoke/wrote about it. I&#039;m damned grateful to the soldiers who served our countries in *all* wars.

I know that soldiers are just human beings; I&#039;m not pretending that they were somehow gods amongst men whose every act was haloed with virtue. They were just people like us who did their duty as occasion demanded; sometimes with honour, sometimes not. But anyone who had the sheer balls to go off to war and act with courage deserves the respect and gratitude of someone like me, whose life has been one of privilege thanks, in large part, to their actions.

So my respect for WWII vets does not imply a lack of respect for Vietnam vets, Korean War vets, Iraq vets, or anyone else. Nor does it imply a rosy-tinged and naive view of history. But I&#039;ll buy a beer for any vet on any day I meet one. People may think me shallow or naive for thinking that way, but WTF do I care?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brucifer, Simon, Adam, and others:</p>
<p>&gt; My reaction to the posted article Brett, was based upon seeing WAY too much<br />
&gt; of late in the way of overly lauding the “greatest generation” and the so-called<br />
&gt; “good war.” As both you and I would most certainly like to see, our national<br />
&gt; mythologies oftentimes uplift our personal behavior and the conduct of our<br />
&gt; republic. But they sometimes also blind us to some historic truths.</p>
<p>I was a child during Vietnam and so had no real opinion about that conflict at the time, and there&#8217;s no doubt that the way Vietnam vets were treated by elements of the public was disgraceful (both in my own country of Australia and in the US). It&#8217;s a dead-set shame that such things happened, and FWIW, I respect and admire the men who served there. I&#8217;ll always cheer just as heartily at military parades for Vietnam vets as well as WWII vets.</p>
<p>Having said that, as a civilian and someone who has had the good fortune not to have had to go to war, it seems that anyone who wants to admire soldiers these days is damned either way. If we laud them and admire them we are told that we&#8217;re naive and innocent of the horrors and realities of war; if we decry them for fighting we&#8217;re told that we&#8217;re ungrateful for their sacrifice. </p>
<p>My own opinion is that I will honour brave men and women whereever I find them, regardless of their circumstances. I know war is hell; not from personal experience, but from listening to and reading the experiences of those who went to war and spoke/wrote about it. I&#8217;m damned grateful to the soldiers who served our countries in *all* wars.</p>
<p>I know that soldiers are just human beings; I&#8217;m not pretending that they were somehow gods amongst men whose every act was haloed with virtue. They were just people like us who did their duty as occasion demanded; sometimes with honour, sometimes not. But anyone who had the sheer balls to go off to war and act with courage deserves the respect and gratitude of someone like me, whose life has been one of privilege thanks, in large part, to their actions.</p>
<p>So my respect for WWII vets does not imply a lack of respect for Vietnam vets, Korean War vets, Iraq vets, or anyone else. Nor does it imply a rosy-tinged and naive view of history. But I&#8217;ll buy a beer for any vet on any day I meet one. People may think me shallow or naive for thinking that way, but WTF do I care?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/05/21/on-being-given-much/comment-page-1/#comment-28778</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 22:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we should admire the man you describe; how should we feel about our soldiers who hoodwink and torture iraqi prisoners?

there is no such thing as &#039;giving your life in the name of liberty.&#039; the man in your story gave his life in the name of his nation. people don&#039;t die for abstract concepts; they die for pieces of earth and privileges, for the right to continue to behave as they have. 

war is grim. let&#039;s honor our veterans by avoiding it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we should admire the man you describe; how should we feel about our soldiers who hoodwink and torture iraqi prisoners?</p>
<p>there is no such thing as &#8216;giving your life in the name of liberty.&#8217; the man in your story gave his life in the name of his nation. people don&#8217;t die for abstract concepts; they die for pieces of earth and privileges, for the right to continue to behave as they have. </p>
<p>war is grim. let&#8217;s honor our veterans by avoiding it.</p>
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		<title>By: alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 15:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful Post Mr. Brotherton,
     As a civilian, running through life at a hundred milies an hour, working here and there to get my degree, ultimately enjoying the fruits of society, I did not understand those sacrifices and triumphs of our forefathers to the point that the nearest reference was an overdone series of films and dusty old history books that were opened with hesitation. When I joined the Airforce new things started to happen to me that allowed me to realize that the life that I had been leading was a cause of so many lives put to the stake, so many stories left untold to the masses, so many moments pushed to the limits. Heros had been here.
     I do not belive that our countrymen, the vast majority of people that were much more like me in my past life as a civilian, understand the what it means to be a comrade, &quot;a wingman, leader, warrior.&quot; to offer up ones life for the sake of our great nation. The lengths to which we need to strive and what we need to sacrifice in order to get there. what it means to be a patriot without being an extremist or complacent. 
     Im sure that if you stripped off the PTSD from your old roommate, you would find a man &quot;faithful to a proud heritage, a tradition of honor, and a legacy of valor. A guardian of freedom and justice, his nations sword and shield.&quot;
      I never knew, and I am glad that I do now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful Post Mr. Brotherton,<br />
     As a civilian, running through life at a hundred milies an hour, working here and there to get my degree, ultimately enjoying the fruits of society, I did not understand those sacrifices and triumphs of our forefathers to the point that the nearest reference was an overdone series of films and dusty old history books that were opened with hesitation. When I joined the Airforce new things started to happen to me that allowed me to realize that the life that I had been leading was a cause of so many lives put to the stake, so many stories left untold to the masses, so many moments pushed to the limits. Heros had been here.<br />
     I do not belive that our countrymen, the vast majority of people that were much more like me in my past life as a civilian, understand the what it means to be a comrade, &#8220;a wingman, leader, warrior.&#8221; to offer up ones life for the sake of our great nation. The lengths to which we need to strive and what we need to sacrifice in order to get there. what it means to be a patriot without being an extremist or complacent.<br />
     Im sure that if you stripped off the PTSD from your old roommate, you would find a man &#8220;faithful to a proud heritage, a tradition of honor, and a legacy of valor. A guardian of freedom and justice, his nations sword and shield.&#8221;<br />
      I never knew, and I am glad that I do now.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt. Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt. Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 15:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brucifer

I&#039;m an Army brat, myself, and my father always told me that Memorial Day (and Veteran&#039;s Day for that matter) should be seen as a day to honor all veterans from every war for the sacrifices they made for my country.  He was taught that by my grandfather, a WWII and Korean War veteran.

Thank you, sir, for everything you, and your comrades sacrificed on my behalf.  Know that whenever I fly Old Glory from my balcony, I do it to honor you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brucifer</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an Army brat, myself, and my father always told me that Memorial Day (and Veteran&#8217;s Day for that matter) should be seen as a day to honor all veterans from every war for the sacrifices they made for my country.  He was taught that by my grandfather, a WWII and Korean War veteran.</p>
<p>Thank you, sir, for everything you, and your comrades sacrificed on my behalf.  Know that whenever I fly Old Glory from my balcony, I do it to honor you.</p>
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		<title>By: bobm</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/05/21/on-being-given-much/comment-page-1/#comment-28696</link>
		<dc:creator>bobm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 14:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Brucifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 02:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Brett .. and thank you Marcus

I do know were you are coming from in parts of your first response to me, Brett.  I too deplore the tendency of we moderns to apply the sentiments, sensibilities and standards of our own time to personages of our past.  For example, denigrating one of the finest minds of his time, Thomas Jefferson, for having had slaves.  He was merely a product of an era when that was acceptable.  I&#039;d frankly love to see how future generations will hold our current mores and practices in scorn.  

My reaction to the posted article Brett, was based upon seeing WAY too much of late in the way of overly lauding the &quot;greatest generation&quot; and the so-called &quot;good war.&quot;   As both you and I would most certainly like to see, our national mythologies oftentimes uplift our personal behavior and the conduct of our republic.   But they sometimes also blind us to some historic truths.  

Thank you, gentlemen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Brett .. and thank you Marcus</p>
<p>I do know were you are coming from in parts of your first response to me, Brett.  I too deplore the tendency of we moderns to apply the sentiments, sensibilities and standards of our own time to personages of our past.  For example, denigrating one of the finest minds of his time, Thomas Jefferson, for having had slaves.  He was merely a product of an era when that was acceptable.  I&#8217;d frankly love to see how future generations will hold our current mores and practices in scorn.  </p>
<p>My reaction to the posted article Brett, was based upon seeing WAY too much of late in the way of overly lauding the &#8220;greatest generation&#8221; and the so-called &#8220;good war.&#8221;   As both you and I would most certainly like to see, our national mythologies oftentimes uplift our personal behavior and the conduct of our republic.   But they sometimes also blind us to some historic truths.  </p>
<p>Thank you, gentlemen!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brucifer-

I do certainly respect your bitterness. This country&#039;s treatment of Vietnam veterans was deplorable. While like Marcus, I was born after that generation, I apologize as an American and I thank you for your service. I&#039;m optimistic that Americans have learned a lesson from that mistake; every year at my town&#039;s Fourth of July parade, people rise to their feet and clap and cheer as the Vietnam vets pass. I see people get a little misty-eyed as they walk by. I hope we can condemn what was wrong in the past while still honoring what was good in WWII and Vietnam vets alike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brucifer-</p>
<p>I do certainly respect your bitterness. This country&#8217;s treatment of Vietnam veterans was deplorable. While like Marcus, I was born after that generation, I apologize as an American and I thank you for your service. I&#8217;m optimistic that Americans have learned a lesson from that mistake; every year at my town&#8217;s Fourth of July parade, people rise to their feet and clap and cheer as the Vietnam vets pass. I see people get a little misty-eyed as they walk by. I hope we can condemn what was wrong in the past while still honoring what was good in WWII and Vietnam vets alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Brotherton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus Brotherton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 20:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@brucifer--

Sir, this is much too little, much too late, but thank you. Sincerely. Thank you for your service. 

I was born in 1968 and the events of what you speak of happened before my generation came to adulthood. But, as much as I am personally able to, I apologize for what you went through. I apologize as an American and a fellow human being.

There is so much truth in what you speak of. I am truly sorry you received that response for your service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@brucifer&#8211;</p>
<p>Sir, this is much too little, much too late, but thank you. Sincerely. Thank you for your service. </p>
<p>I was born in 1968 and the events of what you speak of happened before my generation came to adulthood. But, as much as I am personally able to, I apologize for what you went through. I apologize as an American and a fellow human being.</p>
<p>There is so much truth in what you speak of. I am truly sorry you received that response for your service.</p>
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