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	<title>Comments on: Lessons in Manliness: Sir Richard Francis Burton</title>
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		<title>By: JSyd</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/01/13/sir-richard-francis-burton/comment-page-1/#comment-380080</link>
		<dc:creator>JSyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 06:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Along with Teddy Rosevelt, this man is one of my heroes. Yes he has his flaws, as does everyone. Any man who tells you he has none is a liar and a fool.
I would suggest reading &quot;A Rage to Live&quot; by Mary S. Lovell. It is a biography of Burton but also of his wife Isabel. Mrs. Burton was in everyway an equal to her husband.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along with Teddy Rosevelt, this man is one of my heroes. Yes he has his flaws, as does everyone. Any man who tells you he has none is a liar and a fool.<br />
I would suggest reading &#8220;A Rage to Live&#8221; by Mary S. Lovell. It is a biography of Burton but also of his wife Isabel. Mrs. Burton was in everyway an equal to her husband.</p>
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		<title>By: j davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>j davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is an excellent novel that follows Burton&#039;s life with historical accuracy--&#039;Death Rides a Camel&#039; by Allen Edwardes. It is somewhat rare but many libraries should have a copy. It&#039;d pretty graphic and not for the squeamish or prudish!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an excellent novel that follows Burton&#8217;s life with historical accuracy&#8211;&#8217;Death Rides a Camel&#8217; by Allen Edwardes. It is somewhat rare but many libraries should have a copy. It&#8217;d pretty graphic and not for the squeamish or prudish!</p>
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		<title>By: Abdi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 06:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fine comments. Please correct the sentence which says that while in Harar and after he was  attacked he was wondering in the beach. There is no beach in Harar? or do you want us to understand there was a beach made for him and for that occasion. Don&#039;t be carried away by the stories you hear !!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine comments. Please correct the sentence which says that while in Harar and after he was  attacked he was wondering in the beach. There is no beach in Harar? or do you want us to understand there was a beach made for him and for that occasion. Don&#8217;t be carried away by the stories you hear !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article! I recommend to anyone who is a fan of Burton or Victorian explorers in general to read &quot;Into Africa: The Epic Adventures of Stanley &amp; Livingston.&quot; It&#039;s one of the most interesting books I&#039;ve ever read and is what jump-started my love of adventurers...great descriptive detail and does a remarkable job at informing the reader on what was going on throughout the world at the time, giving you a good grasp of the era.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article! I recommend to anyone who is a fan of Burton or Victorian explorers in general to read &#8220;Into Africa: The Epic Adventures of Stanley &amp; Livingston.&#8221; It&#8217;s one of the most interesting books I&#8217;ve ever read and is what jump-started my love of adventurers&#8230;great descriptive detail and does a remarkable job at informing the reader on what was going on throughout the world at the time, giving you a good grasp of the era.</p>
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		<title>By: Someguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In reference to # 17,  it may be best to learn more about the man before casting stones. For his time he was rather incendiary. He was thought of as a heathen lacking morals by a great deal of Victorian society given his lack of sexual inhibitions and was frequently vocal about that subject. In that time it was widely believed that women didn&#039;t enjoy sex! To which Burton cried BS. He also changed religions a few times, and for a Christian in Europe to become something other than was nearly unheard of. In fact he was frequently talked about behind his back in the military and in polite English society for his fraternization with indigenous cultures. We&#039;re talking serious racial slurs and what not. As in that ***** Burton. Insert &quot;n&quot; word there. Sure he was a bigot, but it was the 1800&#039;s! Remember the whole American Civil War thing? He was around 23 when it started. This was a man of his times. But an extraordinary one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reference to # 17,  it may be best to learn more about the man before casting stones. For his time he was rather incendiary. He was thought of as a heathen lacking morals by a great deal of Victorian society given his lack of sexual inhibitions and was frequently vocal about that subject. In that time it was widely believed that women didn&#8217;t enjoy sex! To which Burton cried BS. He also changed religions a few times, and for a Christian in Europe to become something other than was nearly unheard of. In fact he was frequently talked about behind his back in the military and in polite English society for his fraternization with indigenous cultures. We&#8217;re talking serious racial slurs and what not. As in that ***** Burton. Insert &#8220;n&#8221; word there. Sure he was a bigot, but it was the 1800&#8242;s! Remember the whole American Civil War thing? He was around 23 when it started. This was a man of his times. But an extraordinary one.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 15:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Burton was a great man and all the books about him I have read have been fantastic.  the comment number 17 (the one this one) is the ignorant.  Obviously the person has not read anything about Burton (probably not even the article above).  Burton is a true character and is a very good start for learning of the lives of Livingstone and Stanley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burton was a great man and all the books about him I have read have been fantastic.  the comment number 17 (the one this one) is the ignorant.  Obviously the person has not read anything about Burton (probably not even the article above).  Burton is a true character and is a very good start for learning of the lives of Livingstone and Stanley.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmamaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmamaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 22:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Burton was nothing but an old racist englishman. The British empire needed such foolish racists in order to conquer other people&#039;s lands. Shame of you who romantice this colonial racist and ignorant half man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burton was nothing but an old racist englishman. The British empire needed such foolish racists in order to conquer other people&#8217;s lands. Shame of you who romantice this colonial racist and ignorant half man.</p>
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		<title>By: Brucifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes chaps, I too confess to being quite weary of moderns who imprudently judge men of the past by our oh-so-enlightened mores of the present.   

These fellows, Burton, Jefferson, et. al., were products of their time.  And yes, in those times, there were once attitudes and practices that we now deem reprehensible.  But I dare say that men of the past would also think quite ill of many of our modern practices.  It shall be left to an oncoming posterity to rub our own long-dead noses in the dirt for our current mistakes, what.  

For all their foibles, men like Burton were far superior to many of the insipid, milquetoast men of today.  

In that our chum Basil mentions that Burton engaged in bizarre sexual practices, was promiscuous and was alleged bisexual, only adds to Burton&#039;s &quot;renaissance man&quot; reputation, I should think.   If the fellow intrepidly saved my life during a Somali spear attack, he could bugger chimpanzees daily for all I&#039;d care.  Most sports jocks, whom we fancy our modern heroes, would have shat their pants and run.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes chaps, I too confess to being quite weary of moderns who imprudently judge men of the past by our oh-so-enlightened mores of the present.   </p>
<p>These fellows, Burton, Jefferson, et. al., were products of their time.  And yes, in those times, there were once attitudes and practices that we now deem reprehensible.  But I dare say that men of the past would also think quite ill of many of our modern practices.  It shall be left to an oncoming posterity to rub our own long-dead noses in the dirt for our current mistakes, what.  </p>
<p>For all their foibles, men like Burton were far superior to many of the insipid, milquetoast men of today.  </p>
<p>In that our chum Basil mentions that Burton engaged in bizarre sexual practices, was promiscuous and was alleged bisexual, only adds to Burton&#8217;s &#8220;renaissance man&#8221; reputation, I should think.   If the fellow intrepidly saved my life during a Somali spear attack, he could bugger chimpanzees daily for all I&#8217;d care.  Most sports jocks, whom we fancy our modern heroes, would have shat their pants and run.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry R McCain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry R McCain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading the many comments, most actually good... but a few not so.  I&#039;ve decided I no longer believe in &#039;sexism&#039; or &#039;racism.&#039;   Why?  Well, just look at the people who say it exists, I know they must be wrong, really.  

Ole Sir Richard... what a fellow and what do they teach kids in schools these days? we actually read about Sir Richard in my highschool back in the 1960s.  Can&#039;t imagine of anyone not having heard of him.  

Lovely website.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the many comments, most actually good&#8230; but a few not so.  I&#8217;ve decided I no longer believe in &#8216;sexism&#8217; or &#8216;racism.&#8217;   Why?  Well, just look at the people who say it exists, I know they must be wrong, really.  </p>
<p>Ole Sir Richard&#8230; what a fellow and what do they teach kids in schools these days? we actually read about Sir Richard in my highschool back in the 1960s.  Can&#8217;t imagine of anyone not having heard of him.  </p>
<p>Lovely website.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An emboldening figure, one whose exploits are being celebrated because they are notable.

Like ALL humans, this man was flawed, complicated, and real. Also, was enmeshed in systems and signs which today read as &quot;racist&quot; &quot;classist&quot; &quot;sexist&quot;.

We cannot, any longer, stand with our hands on our hips and scream &quot;racism&quot; in and &quot;sexism&quot; at those people of, say, the 18th and 19th centuries.

Why not? Were they not?

Sure, but, those people are dead; when we speak ill of the dead, we are in defiance of what those lessons want learned----that we need to focus on OUR world, and OUR lives, and help push humanity closer to the light.

Those people would not even beigin to understand our scoldings, for the most part, when we speak of &quot;institutional racism this&quot; or &quot;systemized sex and gender bias&quot;, because, unfortunately, for those things, PEOPLE had to FIGHT and PROVE them flawed.

And, when we romanticize &quot;how it oughta be&quot;, we diminish those unnamed champions who, for instance toppled segregation in the US as a symptom of racism. Sure, MLK was a great man (flawed, as well) but what of those men and women who are not named? because fighting the evil stupidity in ourselves takes the strength of all of us. Thomas Jefferson freeing slaves would not cut the whole deal.

Finally, when we accuse the past, whether be society of the 19th century (who HAD its accusers in its day, look ) or our own past selves (useless) or own families, we haughtily pronounce ourselves as being a triumph, and suggest we have no work to do ourselves.

I believe its better to understand the past, not denounce it like a child or an undergraduate with a half read copy of the Order of Things. When we see history and its denizens as a dirty, shameful thing, we admit defeat over insurmountable forces.

When we see our history as an evolving, collective movement of a species and a civilization, we pronounce to the darkness that humanity will not stop fighting for its collective good, and that we love our victories, and that we ACCEPT our faults, and WILL achieve, some day, a way to solve these.

When we are droll and suggest that Lincoln was a racist withou qualifying it, we misunderstand Lincoln, racism, and our own place within that.

Just my two cents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An emboldening figure, one whose exploits are being celebrated because they are notable.</p>
<p>Like ALL humans, this man was flawed, complicated, and real. Also, was enmeshed in systems and signs which today read as &#8220;racist&#8221; &#8220;classist&#8221; &#8220;sexist&#8221;.</p>
<p>We cannot, any longer, stand with our hands on our hips and scream &#8220;racism&#8221; in and &#8220;sexism&#8221; at those people of, say, the 18th and 19th centuries.</p>
<p>Why not? Were they not?</p>
<p>Sure, but, those people are dead; when we speak ill of the dead, we are in defiance of what those lessons want learned&#8212;-that we need to focus on OUR world, and OUR lives, and help push humanity closer to the light.</p>
<p>Those people would not even beigin to understand our scoldings, for the most part, when we speak of &#8220;institutional racism this&#8221; or &#8220;systemized sex and gender bias&#8221;, because, unfortunately, for those things, PEOPLE had to FIGHT and PROVE them flawed.</p>
<p>And, when we romanticize &#8220;how it oughta be&#8221;, we diminish those unnamed champions who, for instance toppled segregation in the US as a symptom of racism. Sure, MLK was a great man (flawed, as well) but what of those men and women who are not named? because fighting the evil stupidity in ourselves takes the strength of all of us. Thomas Jefferson freeing slaves would not cut the whole deal.</p>
<p>Finally, when we accuse the past, whether be society of the 19th century (who HAD its accusers in its day, look ) or our own past selves (useless) or own families, we haughtily pronounce ourselves as being a triumph, and suggest we have no work to do ourselves.</p>
<p>I believe its better to understand the past, not denounce it like a child or an undergraduate with a half read copy of the Order of Things. When we see history and its denizens as a dirty, shameful thing, we admit defeat over insurmountable forces.</p>
<p>When we see our history as an evolving, collective movement of a species and a civilization, we pronounce to the darkness that humanity will not stop fighting for its collective good, and that we love our victories, and that we ACCEPT our faults, and WILL achieve, some day, a way to solve these.</p>
<p>When we are droll and suggest that Lincoln was a racist withou qualifying it, we misunderstand Lincoln, racism, and our own place within that.</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
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