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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-1/#comment-418642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this page while looking for ideas on romantic, male friendships. I have a friend of five years now, and he is a big sweetheart. We are quirky in similar ways, have similar backgrounds and interests. I don’t know anyone else that likes all the odd stuff that I do. One night after hanging out over meaty man food and beers, we biked home and started playing street tag on our bikes. I felt like I was 12 years old again. It was exhilarating and…well, mystical—like I was inside my favorite adolescent movie. 

He offers to carry my stuff, shows me how to fix my bike, shares his homemade brews, shows me his favorite places, waits for me to get off work so we can walk home together. I felt totally safe with him until one night he looked me square in the eyes without saying a word. He just held my gaze. I looked away in embarrassment.  When I looked back, he was still looking at me. It would have been OK notwithstanding the fact I date men, so this was very confusing to me. 

I don’t question that men are in need of affection. In Italy, France and Spain it is customary for men to greet each other with a kiss on each cheek. When Italian immigrants arrived in the USA, sociologist, if we can call them that, writing in the early 20th century documented this behavior as latent homosexuality. This was unfortunate to say the least. However, even in antiquity the relationship between Patroclus and Achilles was regarded as sexual in nature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles_and_Patroclus, 2013).

Furthermore, the relationship between David and Jonathon has obvious sexual overtones. Hebrew has no vowels, and this can leave room for interpretation of text. For example, if  we were to write the English word foot without vowels, we would write the letters f and t, or ft.  However, feet, fat and fit would also be represented in this way. So the passage that reads, Jonathon stood before David and God was with him, in Hebrew could also be read as, he stood before him with an erection (Helminiak, 2007).

The Gospel of Matthew was written between 80-90 CE in Greek and there was no standard Latin translation until the fourth century. In the story of the centurion (Matt 8), the writer uses the word “pais” in Greek which has been translated into modern English as “servant”, yet in Classical Greek pais is more akin to male lover than servant. The translation has been adjusted to accommodate the modern reader, but the later translation would be more consistent with Jesus’ association with those we were considered ritually impure. 

The ancient’s worldview on male sexuality was quite different than ours. While we should not project our modern views on sexuality and relationship onto historical friendships, we can also assume that just because two guys were friends, doesn’t preclude a little rub and tug every now and then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this page while looking for ideas on romantic, male friendships. I have a friend of five years now, and he is a big sweetheart. We are quirky in similar ways, have similar backgrounds and interests. I don’t know anyone else that likes all the odd stuff that I do. One night after hanging out over meaty man food and beers, we biked home and started playing street tag on our bikes. I felt like I was 12 years old again. It was exhilarating and…well, mystical—like I was inside my favorite adolescent movie. </p>
<p>He offers to carry my stuff, shows me how to fix my bike, shares his homemade brews, shows me his favorite places, waits for me to get off work so we can walk home together. I felt totally safe with him until one night he looked me square in the eyes without saying a word. He just held my gaze. I looked away in embarrassment.  When I looked back, he was still looking at me. It would have been OK notwithstanding the fact I date men, so this was very confusing to me. </p>
<p>I don’t question that men are in need of affection. In Italy, France and Spain it is customary for men to greet each other with a kiss on each cheek. When Italian immigrants arrived in the USA, sociologist, if we can call them that, writing in the early 20th century documented this behavior as latent homosexuality. This was unfortunate to say the least. However, even in antiquity the relationship between Patroclus and Achilles was regarded as sexual in nature (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles_and_Patroclus" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles_and_Patroclus</a>, 2013).</p>
<p>Furthermore, the relationship between David and Jonathon has obvious sexual overtones. Hebrew has no vowels, and this can leave room for interpretation of text. For example, if  we were to write the English word foot without vowels, we would write the letters f and t, or ft.  However, feet, fat and fit would also be represented in this way. So the passage that reads, Jonathon stood before David and God was with him, in Hebrew could also be read as, he stood before him with an erection (Helminiak, 2007).</p>
<p>The Gospel of Matthew was written between 80-90 CE in Greek and there was no standard Latin translation until the fourth century. In the story of the centurion (Matt 8), the writer uses the word “pais” in Greek which has been translated into modern English as “servant”, yet in Classical Greek pais is more akin to male lover than servant. The translation has been adjusted to accommodate the modern reader, but the later translation would be more consistent with Jesus’ association with those we were considered ritually impure. </p>
<p>The ancient’s worldview on male sexuality was quite different than ours. While we should not project our modern views on sexuality and relationship onto historical friendships, we can also assume that just because two guys were friends, doesn’t preclude a little rub and tug every now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-1/#comment-357998</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 04:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have spent my youth and adult with either living abroad and serving in the US Armed Forces. Like Brett, we cuddeled up for warmth, held each other when one needed it. Watched as our comrades lay dying etc. I lived in Europe for so many years, went to the nude family baths etc. Have shared the same bed on many occasions with other males. Neither I nor they would assume sex was in the making. It is just natural sometimes to save on hotel costs etc. Here in the US, which I really can no longer stand. The customs in ref to male bonding truly for lack of a better expression SUCK. I yearn to meet someone around the Albuquerque area (Perhaps Military ex or whatever) who have similar backgrounds and have no male friends. Yes I am married and have older children. Yet I truly miss and yearn for some male companyonship. Maybe some of you who are of similar circumstances could write to me and give me some encouragement. I have PTSD from the 3 combat tours. I take some meds. I am neither crazy or do I get angry or lash out etc. I just sometimes think of the past, failed lst marriage etc. No buddies anymore etc. I am warm, kind, gently and loyal to a good friend. Tks for reading my letter. Denis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have spent my youth and adult with either living abroad and serving in the US Armed Forces. Like Brett, we cuddeled up for warmth, held each other when one needed it. Watched as our comrades lay dying etc. I lived in Europe for so many years, went to the nude family baths etc. Have shared the same bed on many occasions with other males. Neither I nor they would assume sex was in the making. It is just natural sometimes to save on hotel costs etc. Here in the US, which I really can no longer stand. The customs in ref to male bonding truly for lack of a better expression SUCK. I yearn to meet someone around the Albuquerque area (Perhaps Military ex or whatever) who have similar backgrounds and have no male friends. Yes I am married and have older children. Yet I truly miss and yearn for some male companyonship. Maybe some of you who are of similar circumstances could write to me and give me some encouragement. I have PTSD from the 3 combat tours. I take some meds. I am neither crazy or do I get angry or lash out etc. I just sometimes think of the past, failed lst marriage etc. No buddies anymore etc. I am warm, kind, gently and loyal to a good friend. Tks for reading my letter. Denis</p>
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		<title>By: RDSW4</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-1/#comment-341026</link>
		<dc:creator>RDSW4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 21:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Incredible article and I didn&#039;t think there was anyone who thought the way I did.  I have longed for a true male friend my entire life and I have a lot of baggage in my life too... and I found onel (A BFF, not more baggage!).  He is 20 years younger than I (which is fine) but he thinks along the same lines as everything written above.  The thing I did differently this time than what I had done in the past:  I was HONEST about myself, my past, everything I have ever done.  Totally upfront and let him be the judge.  We are practically inseperable now.  I am single and he is married with children...but it works well and I have never been happier.  We hug, talk about &quot;deep&quot; issues, shake hands a little too often :) and, well, we love each other... deeply.  We are not having sex with each other... but we have even said that we are &quot;married without the other stuff&quot;.  I have made it my goal to make my time with my BFF time where he doesn&#039;t have to deal with the same drama he gets with family (sometimes I fail) but my Best Friend forgives me when I fall, as I forgive him and we move on...closer than we were before.  I didn&#039;t know just how much I had been missing in my life until I met my Best Friend and I will cherish him until the day I die and I don&#039;t hesitate to tell anyone who will listen about my awesome Best Friend.  Thanks again for the great article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incredible article and I didn&#8217;t think there was anyone who thought the way I did.  I have longed for a true male friend my entire life and I have a lot of baggage in my life too&#8230; and I found onel (A BFF, not more baggage!).  He is 20 years younger than I (which is fine) but he thinks along the same lines as everything written above.  The thing I did differently this time than what I had done in the past:  I was HONEST about myself, my past, everything I have ever done.  Totally upfront and let him be the judge.  We are practically inseperable now.  I am single and he is married with children&#8230;but it works well and I have never been happier.  We hug, talk about &#8220;deep&#8221; issues, shake hands a little too often :) and, well, we love each other&#8230; deeply.  We are not having sex with each other&#8230; but we have even said that we are &#8220;married without the other stuff&#8221;.  I have made it my goal to make my time with my BFF time where he doesn&#8217;t have to deal with the same drama he gets with family (sometimes I fail) but my Best Friend forgives me when I fall, as I forgive him and we move on&#8230;closer than we were before.  I didn&#8217;t know just how much I had been missing in my life until I met my Best Friend and I will cherish him until the day I die and I don&#8217;t hesitate to tell anyone who will listen about my awesome Best Friend.  Thanks again for the great article.</p>
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		<title>By: VamPie</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-1/#comment-314333</link>
		<dc:creator>VamPie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, but I think you&#039;re wrong about female friendship. Female friendship can be just as good, though probably more emotional. Of course there are always disloyal or selfish people around, but it doesn&#039;t mean that true friendship - male or female - cannot exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, but I think you&#8217;re wrong about female friendship. Female friendship can be just as good, though probably more emotional. Of course there are always disloyal or selfish people around, but it doesn&#8217;t mean that true friendship &#8211; male or female &#8211; cannot exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Cone of Silence &#187; Freedom Leads to Bondage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cone of Silence &#187; Freedom Leads to Bondage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to express friendship in ways they did a generation ago.&#8221; &#160; Also see this article on The Art of Manliness for an excellent analysis of photos of men that would make most men VERY uncomfortable today. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to express friendship in ways they did a generation ago.&#8221; &#160; Also see this article on The Art of Manliness for an excellent analysis of photos of men that would make most men VERY uncomfortable today. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jay M</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-1/#comment-271102</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was doing research for a project and this was in the list of results. I can give maybe a different perspective on male relationships. I am gay. You&#039;d think gay guys have the best relationships ever. While a tiny percentile do. Most don&#039;t. The gay culture is extremely shallow. It is based on age, looks, body and penis size and not necessarily in that order. I can say this without hesitation because it is true. I&#039;ve been out for 24 years.  Gay society is incredibly segregated and hopelessly intolerant. The only thing that allows any crossover is cash or a derivative thereof (i.e. fame, position, family name, nice car). The only thing that trumps cash is if you have 10plus in all the aforementioned items. The 10plus scenario usually allows you to accumulate cash from any number of sources. So it is an equation that invariably includes money. Genuine friendships in the gay world are few and far between and are very often looked upon as a liability. Most every guy is either a potential sex partner or competition. 

From the outside straight men think gay men just love straight women as friends. I can honestly say every gay man has done or is doing the fag hag schtick. It usually doesn&#039;t end well. Gay culture is very misogynistic. Gays and lesbians don&#039;t hang out together that often either, FYI. I don&#039;t know a single lesbian, let alone have one as a friend. It doesn&#039;t work very well. You&#039;ve heard the saying men are from Mars and women are from Venus. Well multiply that by a trillion and you have the gay lesbian dynamic. 

I can tell all the straight guys on here that women are terrified of a gay anything getting near their guy. I think that is why they infiltrate the gay camps. I have to admit when I was younger and it was very hip to have a personal fag hag, I helped many a woman screw a guy over. The thing many women resent more than anything is the guy friendship thing. They don&#039;t understand it and will go to extreme lengths to sever it. I have also seen the situation where a woman was rejected in favor of the guy&#039;s best friend.

I had two best friends. One was gay and one was straight. The gay one was not an old boyfriend and there was no sex involved at all. Sex complicates any relationship. Contrary to popular belief, I wasn&#039;t in love with the straight guy either. He knew I was gay. I have to tell the truth. While my gay friend knew much about me, he really didn&#039;t know me at all. There is the inherent mistrust in gay culture of being dumped on. So, with any friend, you feed them equal amounts of truth and fiction for the possible, plausible deniability. I did indeed love him very much and I really never had to worry about his stabbing me in the back. He died a few years back of kidney failure due to type 1 diabetes.

The straight guy and I were very close and in actuality he knew me better than the gay friend. I didn&#039;t have to prevaricate with him because he did not move in the same circles.  I knew everything about him, to the point of discomfort in some cases. Then he got married and, you guessed it, the wife hated me. I don&#039;t have anyone now and I just feel sort of lost.  It&#039;s sad really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was doing research for a project and this was in the list of results. I can give maybe a different perspective on male relationships. I am gay. You&#8217;d think gay guys have the best relationships ever. While a tiny percentile do. Most don&#8217;t. The gay culture is extremely shallow. It is based on age, looks, body and penis size and not necessarily in that order. I can say this without hesitation because it is true. I&#8217;ve been out for 24 years.  Gay society is incredibly segregated and hopelessly intolerant. The only thing that allows any crossover is cash or a derivative thereof (i.e. fame, position, family name, nice car). The only thing that trumps cash is if you have 10plus in all the aforementioned items. The 10plus scenario usually allows you to accumulate cash from any number of sources. So it is an equation that invariably includes money. Genuine friendships in the gay world are few and far between and are very often looked upon as a liability. Most every guy is either a potential sex partner or competition. </p>
<p>From the outside straight men think gay men just love straight women as friends. I can honestly say every gay man has done or is doing the fag hag schtick. It usually doesn&#8217;t end well. Gay culture is very misogynistic. Gays and lesbians don&#8217;t hang out together that often either, FYI. I don&#8217;t know a single lesbian, let alone have one as a friend. It doesn&#8217;t work very well. You&#8217;ve heard the saying men are from Mars and women are from Venus. Well multiply that by a trillion and you have the gay lesbian dynamic. </p>
<p>I can tell all the straight guys on here that women are terrified of a gay anything getting near their guy. I think that is why they infiltrate the gay camps. I have to admit when I was younger and it was very hip to have a personal fag hag, I helped many a woman screw a guy over. The thing many women resent more than anything is the guy friendship thing. They don&#8217;t understand it and will go to extreme lengths to sever it. I have also seen the situation where a woman was rejected in favor of the guy&#8217;s best friend.</p>
<p>I had two best friends. One was gay and one was straight. The gay one was not an old boyfriend and there was no sex involved at all. Sex complicates any relationship. Contrary to popular belief, I wasn&#8217;t in love with the straight guy either. He knew I was gay. I have to tell the truth. While my gay friend knew much about me, he really didn&#8217;t know me at all. There is the inherent mistrust in gay culture of being dumped on. So, with any friend, you feed them equal amounts of truth and fiction for the possible, plausible deniability. I did indeed love him very much and I really never had to worry about his stabbing me in the back. He died a few years back of kidney failure due to type 1 diabetes.</p>
<p>The straight guy and I were very close and in actuality he knew me better than the gay friend. I didn&#8217;t have to prevaricate with him because he did not move in the same circles.  I knew everything about him, to the point of discomfort in some cases. Then he got married and, you guessed it, the wife hated me. I don&#8217;t have anyone now and I just feel sort of lost.  It&#8217;s sad really.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that males in America for the sake of their sons and new generation need to make a conscious effort to step out of the homophobic prison that we have been living under. Fortunately, I have a lot of friends who have no problem hugging, kissing hello or good bye and telling each other that they love each other during times that are seemingly appropriate. None of us are gay. It might be because the majority of us being Italian, Spanish and Portuguese have been raised with this but interestingly enough, our friends who are not seem to really enjoy expressing thier feelings for one another. It is sad when everything a guy does is overanalyzed to death and considered gay or odd. It needs to stop for the sake of the next generation who seemingly today can not build male friendships and seem so isolated because they are afraid of labels. I also think that the homosexual movement in this country has confused people into believing that any non sexual display of affection between men is a sign that there is some sexual feeling. It is wrong and it is misleading and it should be dismissed as ignorance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that males in America for the sake of their sons and new generation need to make a conscious effort to step out of the homophobic prison that we have been living under. Fortunately, I have a lot of friends who have no problem hugging, kissing hello or good bye and telling each other that they love each other during times that are seemingly appropriate. None of us are gay. It might be because the majority of us being Italian, Spanish and Portuguese have been raised with this but interestingly enough, our friends who are not seem to really enjoy expressing thier feelings for one another. It is sad when everything a guy does is overanalyzed to death and considered gay or odd. It needs to stop for the sake of the next generation who seemingly today can not build male friendships and seem so isolated because they are afraid of labels. I also think that the homosexual movement in this country has confused people into believing that any non sexual display of affection between men is a sign that there is some sexual feeling. It is wrong and it is misleading and it should be dismissed as ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo Gomez</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-1/#comment-100388</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I lived in Guangzhou, China from August 2006-October 2009.  The newness of seeing guys holding hands was at first, a shock.  I taught school there and some of my male students also held hands.  I got use to it, and came to realize there was nothing wrong with.  I too held hands with some of my male students more for a &quot;I will take care of you&quot; feeling, more than anything else.  It&#039;s a shame that we have lost any emotional ties with men in the USA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Guangzhou, China from August 2006-October 2009.  The newness of seeing guys holding hands was at first, a shock.  I taught school there and some of my male students also held hands.  I got use to it, and came to realize there was nothing wrong with.  I too held hands with some of my male students more for a &#8220;I will take care of you&#8221; feeling, more than anything else.  It&#8217;s a shame that we have lost any emotional ties with men in the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;A Turble Stroke to Me&#8221;: William Clark and the Death of Meriwether Lewis &#171; Frances Hunter&#39;s American Heroes Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-1/#comment-100163</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;A Turble Stroke to Me&#8221;: William Clark and the Death of Meriwether Lewis &#171; Frances Hunter&#39;s American Heroes Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and Clark during the years they spent exploring the wilderness. They could have written the book on heroic friendship, an ideal permitted to men in those days. Together they shared responsibility for more than 30 [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Rahul</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-1/#comment-74556</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey,

Am a long-time reader from India and got to say, I love your website but I felt compelled to comment on this article giving my perspective as an Indian (or let&#039;s just say non-westerner). I was in the US for two years and have travelled extensively, so can talk about the differences in attitude.

In India, it used to be common to see close male friends holding hands while walking, to have a hand on each other&#039;s shoulder or hug each otehr when meeting. This was because, a) there was limited interaction between men and women and so a man&#039;s best friends were invariably his mates and b) Because the concept of homosexuality or even of homophobia was not on anyone&#039;s mind ie: it was not even thought possible. (of course, it must have existed but basically lurking in the shadows).

On the contrary, since we have been a traditional and conservative society, it would be scandalous for an unmarried man or woman to be hugging each other (because here there was always the possibility of sexual relations : a big NO-NO between an unmarried man and woman). So in fact, we were the opposite case ie: there would never be man-woman friendships as there would always be a suspicion of something going on which did not have social sanction and in a sense a man would never appreciate a woman for her personality but only for her physical beauty. Myself having grown-up at a certain time, like it or not, am sometimes uncomfortable with the concept of pure friendship between a man and a woman. I am not saying this is good, just pointing out the difference in mentality.

 Unfortunately, today with the flattening of the world and the ready access to and influence of western or american culture this easy familiarity  between male youngsters has dissapeared from our bigger cities, though thankfully is alive an well in our smaller cities, where it is not uncommon to see young men unselfconciously hold hands etc. However, this leads western tourists to think that most Indians are gay.That&#039;s crazy.

Personally, I feel much more fulfilled from my male friendships due to one simple reason  outlined in the article: LOYALTY. The concept of standing by your mate through thick and thin and against the entire world if necessary is something I feel u can only get through male-male friendships and I have been lucky enough to find a few friends like that. On the other hand, I have seen too many so called male female friendships get ruined by one person getting attracted to the other or it being like a one-way exchange ie: I have seen quite a few of my male friends being used in one way or another by girls helping them in various ways around the house, explaining concepts at work, protecting them when drinking etc...all in the name of friendship.

Perhaps my thoughts are skewed in one way , based purely on personal experience and conditioning. But I would say go for male friendships guys. They can be deep and can help you weather many a storm. 

Regards,
Rahul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>Am a long-time reader from India and got to say, I love your website but I felt compelled to comment on this article giving my perspective as an Indian (or let&#8217;s just say non-westerner). I was in the US for two years and have travelled extensively, so can talk about the differences in attitude.</p>
<p>In India, it used to be common to see close male friends holding hands while walking, to have a hand on each other&#8217;s shoulder or hug each otehr when meeting. This was because, a) there was limited interaction between men and women and so a man&#8217;s best friends were invariably his mates and b) Because the concept of homosexuality or even of homophobia was not on anyone&#8217;s mind ie: it was not even thought possible. (of course, it must have existed but basically lurking in the shadows).</p>
<p>On the contrary, since we have been a traditional and conservative society, it would be scandalous for an unmarried man or woman to be hugging each other (because here there was always the possibility of sexual relations : a big NO-NO between an unmarried man and woman). So in fact, we were the opposite case ie: there would never be man-woman friendships as there would always be a suspicion of something going on which did not have social sanction and in a sense a man would never appreciate a woman for her personality but only for her physical beauty. Myself having grown-up at a certain time, like it or not, am sometimes uncomfortable with the concept of pure friendship between a man and a woman. I am not saying this is good, just pointing out the difference in mentality.</p>
<p> Unfortunately, today with the flattening of the world and the ready access to and influence of western or american culture this easy familiarity  between male youngsters has dissapeared from our bigger cities, though thankfully is alive an well in our smaller cities, where it is not uncommon to see young men unselfconciously hold hands etc. However, this leads western tourists to think that most Indians are gay.That&#8217;s crazy.</p>
<p>Personally, I feel much more fulfilled from my male friendships due to one simple reason  outlined in the article: LOYALTY. The concept of standing by your mate through thick and thin and against the entire world if necessary is something I feel u can only get through male-male friendships and I have been lucky enough to find a few friends like that. On the other hand, I have seen too many so called male female friendships get ruined by one person getting attracted to the other or it being like a one-way exchange ie: I have seen quite a few of my male friends being used in one way or another by girls helping them in various ways around the house, explaining concepts at work, protecting them when drinking etc&#8230;all in the name of friendship.</p>
<p>Perhaps my thoughts are skewed in one way , based purely on personal experience and conditioning. But I would say go for male friendships guys. They can be deep and can help you weather many a storm. </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Rahul</p>
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