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	<title>Comments on: Asking a Woman&#8217;s Father For Her Hand In Marriage</title>
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		<title>By: DDS</title>
		<link>http://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/05/15/asking-a-womans-father-for-her-hand-in-marriage/comment-page-2/#comment-420492</link>
		<dc:creator>DDS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jun 2013 15:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article, and it (along with the comments) offers worthwhile perspectives to consider.

Seems to me that the answer to many questions, including this one, is &quot;it depends.&quot; So a big first step is to understand the woman and her relationships with her family.

If the dad is an abusive jerk, then his blessing is not needed, and certainly not his permission. If dad or daughter gives reason to not specifically ask for a blessing, it may be appropriately respectful (and manly) to state your intentions, or at least to show up and participate in a respectful, manly way with your bride-to-be in announcing the engagement.

In my case, dad was somewhat traditional and husband-to-be was respectful of that, which I found reassuring and delightful -- my husband-to-be was willing to endure discomfort out of respect for my dad, and my dad responded with respect, which was indeed a blessing to both our marriage and my husband-to-be. Mom wasn&#039;t part of the conversation, which was appropriate in THIS situation because it fits her somewhat traditional perspectives, too, and because she trusts my dad and loves that the two of them had a man-to-man talk.

Mom asked me later what I would have done if dad hadn&#039;t given his blessing -- would we still have gotten married?  It was a good question, and here&#039;s my response -- he wasn&#039;t asking permission, but was asking for my dad&#039;s blessing.  I know my dad, and know he would not withhold that blessing lightly, so if he&#039;d not given it, then I would have wanted to know why, and we would have pursued that question respectfully.  I might still get married, but certainly wouldn&#039;t do it without first being quite certain that I understood my dad&#039;s concerns.

But again, it depends a lot on the relationships and perspectives of the various people involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, and it (along with the comments) offers worthwhile perspectives to consider.</p>
<p>Seems to me that the answer to many questions, including this one, is &#8220;it depends.&#8221; So a big first step is to understand the woman and her relationships with her family.</p>
<p>If the dad is an abusive jerk, then his blessing is not needed, and certainly not his permission. If dad or daughter gives reason to not specifically ask for a blessing, it may be appropriately respectful (and manly) to state your intentions, or at least to show up and participate in a respectful, manly way with your bride-to-be in announcing the engagement.</p>
<p>In my case, dad was somewhat traditional and husband-to-be was respectful of that, which I found reassuring and delightful &#8212; my husband-to-be was willing to endure discomfort out of respect for my dad, and my dad responded with respect, which was indeed a blessing to both our marriage and my husband-to-be. Mom wasn&#8217;t part of the conversation, which was appropriate in THIS situation because it fits her somewhat traditional perspectives, too, and because she trusts my dad and loves that the two of them had a man-to-man talk.</p>
<p>Mom asked me later what I would have done if dad hadn&#8217;t given his blessing &#8212; would we still have gotten married?  It was a good question, and here&#8217;s my response &#8212; he wasn&#8217;t asking permission, but was asking for my dad&#8217;s blessing.  I know my dad, and know he would not withhold that blessing lightly, so if he&#8217;d not given it, then I would have wanted to know why, and we would have pursued that question respectfully.  I might still get married, but certainly wouldn&#8217;t do it without first being quite certain that I understood my dad&#8217;s concerns.</p>
<p>But again, it depends a lot on the relationships and perspectives of the various people involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Shoemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 06:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am currently thinking about asking my girlfriend&#039;s father for her hand in marriage, the ideas from this article are spot on in my opinion. A few of them I had not considered yet, but will be using when the time comes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently thinking about asking my girlfriend&#8217;s father for her hand in marriage, the ideas from this article are spot on in my opinion. A few of them I had not considered yet, but will be using when the time comes.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Apr 2013 03:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently I confronted my future in laws about a marriage to their daughter. I had already bought her engagement ring so they could fully see I was in no way joking. Then when I met with them instead of asking for their permission, I asked for their support as I was going to ask my fiancée to marry me regardless. It may very well have made the situation very awkward, but I think you have to prioritize what&#039;s most important to you, and how others may feel about it. Lucky for me her parents were fairly accepting of me and the situation. Bottom line. I always recommend to others about to ask their potential in-laws is rather than ask for permission, ask for their support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently I confronted my future in laws about a marriage to their daughter. I had already bought her engagement ring so they could fully see I was in no way joking. Then when I met with them instead of asking for their permission, I asked for their support as I was going to ask my fiancée to marry me regardless. It may very well have made the situation very awkward, but I think you have to prioritize what&#8217;s most important to you, and how others may feel about it. Lucky for me her parents were fairly accepting of me and the situation. Bottom line. I always recommend to others about to ask their potential in-laws is rather than ask for permission, ask for their support.</p>
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		<title>By: Impatient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Impatient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2013 22:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would add one more step to the above instructions:

8. Listen to your future father-in-law&#039;s response.

When I did this, 90% of the talking was done by my father-in-law. They probably would like to take this opportunity to offer some advice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add one more step to the above instructions:</p>
<p>8. Listen to your future father-in-law&#8217;s response.</p>
<p>When I did this, 90% of the talking was done by my father-in-law. They probably would like to take this opportunity to offer some advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam(blue and gold wildcat)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam(blue and gold wildcat)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gabe,
That is so untrue and unfair what you just wrote abour women. Daughters and sons are under both parent&#039;s authority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabe,<br />
That is so untrue and unfair what you just wrote abour women. Daughters and sons are under both parent&#8217;s authority.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Before marriage, the young lady is under the authority, direction, and care of her father.  He is to provide physical, emotional, and financial protection for her.  If a young man wants that responsibility transferred to him, he must seek out the father, and, yes, ask his permission.  
Great post here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before marriage, the young lady is under the authority, direction, and care of her father.  He is to provide physical, emotional, and financial protection for her.  If a young man wants that responsibility transferred to him, he must seek out the father, and, yes, ask his permission.<br />
Great post here.</p>
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		<title>By: Topher Endress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topher Endress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 21:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to resurrect a dead post, but I casually went through the comments and didn&#039;t see a perspective that I feel should be shared.  

First, women (or men) should never be treated as property.  Equality means more than simply each having voting rights - our society in general as stereotypes and systems in place that treat some groups with a sense that they are either incapable of achieving what other groups are or that they are somehow lesser humans (often, these groups being degraded are women, racial minorities and/or non-heterosexuals).

That being said, the vast majority of men and women in our Western world have some basic, non-biological differences.  Maybe they are merely social constructs, maybe they go into our DNA, but regardless they are real and often important.  That is no excuse to deny anyone their right to live as an equal, however.  

All this being said, because there are legitimate differences between men and women, it does seem logical and fair for a man to ask a father for his blessing (I would also argue a man should ask any important men in the woman&#039;s life).  But in the interest of fairness and equality, which is seems many are hung up on here, the woman has a responsibility to ask for or earn the same type of acceptance from the important women (likely the mother or sisters) of her man.  

Men (though not all) do tend to be more direct.  Asking face to face is something that, though it can be intimidating, many men relish because of the sense of self-satisfaction that comes from dealing directly with someone.  Women (again, not all) tend to be more relational and less directly confrontational.  I would want any potential fiancee of mine to be able to show to my mother that she would make me a great wife, just as I want to one day show a potential father-in-law that I can be a great husband to his daughter.  It is not about women being property, it is about connecting to the important people in someone&#039;s life, dealing with them in the ways we typically do, illustrating a maturity that will be necessary in marriage and giving the respect that is due to your future (legal) family members.

Sure, there are situations that this can&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t happen in, but in most cases I think that both the man and woman have an inherent responsibility to connect to the families that raised their eventual spouses before proposing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to resurrect a dead post, but I casually went through the comments and didn&#8217;t see a perspective that I feel should be shared.  </p>
<p>First, women (or men) should never be treated as property.  Equality means more than simply each having voting rights &#8211; our society in general as stereotypes and systems in place that treat some groups with a sense that they are either incapable of achieving what other groups are or that they are somehow lesser humans (often, these groups being degraded are women, racial minorities and/or non-heterosexuals).</p>
<p>That being said, the vast majority of men and women in our Western world have some basic, non-biological differences.  Maybe they are merely social constructs, maybe they go into our DNA, but regardless they are real and often important.  That is no excuse to deny anyone their right to live as an equal, however.  </p>
<p>All this being said, because there are legitimate differences between men and women, it does seem logical and fair for a man to ask a father for his blessing (I would also argue a man should ask any important men in the woman&#8217;s life).  But in the interest of fairness and equality, which is seems many are hung up on here, the woman has a responsibility to ask for or earn the same type of acceptance from the important women (likely the mother or sisters) of her man.  </p>
<p>Men (though not all) do tend to be more direct.  Asking face to face is something that, though it can be intimidating, many men relish because of the sense of self-satisfaction that comes from dealing directly with someone.  Women (again, not all) tend to be more relational and less directly confrontational.  I would want any potential fiancee of mine to be able to show to my mother that she would make me a great wife, just as I want to one day show a potential father-in-law that I can be a great husband to his daughter.  It is not about women being property, it is about connecting to the important people in someone&#8217;s life, dealing with them in the ways we typically do, illustrating a maturity that will be necessary in marriage and giving the respect that is due to your future (legal) family members.</p>
<p>Sure, there are situations that this can&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t happen in, but in most cases I think that both the man and woman have an inherent responsibility to connect to the families that raised their eventual spouses before proposing.</p>
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		<title>By: lolagirl92</title>
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		<dc:creator>lolagirl92</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 23:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok this is from a girls perspective, and I know not everyone is the same but to me, I don&#039;t see this as sexist,  I see it as a sign of respect to my father,  me and my bf of 3yrs have been talking about marriage a lot here lately and I can feel it coming any day now, but I did explain to him that I would like for him to talk to my dad first. Not for permission but to talk about his intentions before it happens.  With me, I&#039;ve always been a daddy&#039;s girl and my father is a great man and I know how much respect my bf has for him, so with them its like a talk with a good friend. And my parents aren&#039;t together, so I don&#039;t see mom hardly ever, so I don&#039;t see a point in MY boyfriend asking both parents, but in a different situation I&#039;d rather it be mom and dad..
I&#039;m confident we&#039;ll get his blessing, but its a sign of respect to the parents whether its the mom/dad/grandma or whoever it may be, especially if the two are close! 


-soon-to-be , bride-to-be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok this is from a girls perspective, and I know not everyone is the same but to me, I don&#8217;t see this as sexist,  I see it as a sign of respect to my father,  me and my bf of 3yrs have been talking about marriage a lot here lately and I can feel it coming any day now, but I did explain to him that I would like for him to talk to my dad first. Not for permission but to talk about his intentions before it happens.  With me, I&#8217;ve always been a daddy&#8217;s girl and my father is a great man and I know how much respect my bf has for him, so with them its like a talk with a good friend. And my parents aren&#8217;t together, so I don&#8217;t see mom hardly ever, so I don&#8217;t see a point in MY boyfriend asking both parents, but in a different situation I&#8217;d rather it be mom and dad..<br />
I&#8217;m confident we&#8217;ll get his blessing, but its a sign of respect to the parents whether its the mom/dad/grandma or whoever it may be, especially if the two are close! </p>
<p>-soon-to-be , bride-to-be?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m trying to find the perfect time to ask my girls father for his blessing. It is very hard because i will never get him alone without someone being around. WE want to wait till after she gets done with college in 2 years, and i get out of the Navy. but the man truly enjoys controlling everyones lives. he is most likely going to say no. but im trying to keep hopes up. i already have the ring and know where to ask. i just dont have any idea how to start the conversation. help?
should i just sit with him and start out &quot;as you know weve been together for so long and...&quot; im so lost on this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to find the perfect time to ask my girls father for his blessing. It is very hard because i will never get him alone without someone being around. WE want to wait till after she gets done with college in 2 years, and i get out of the Navy. but the man truly enjoys controlling everyones lives. he is most likely going to say no. but im trying to keep hopes up. i already have the ring and know where to ask. i just dont have any idea how to start the conversation. help?<br />
should i just sit with him and start out &#8220;as you know weve been together for so long and&#8230;&#8221; im so lost on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Kapten Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kapten Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 06:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the article.  Distasteful to some yet unabashedly honorable. Tip of the hat.
If the father doesn&#039;t approve, deal with it as you see fit (as a man).  Life is rough, make it work anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the article.  Distasteful to some yet unabashedly honorable. Tip of the hat.<br />
If the father doesn&#8217;t approve, deal with it as you see fit (as a man).  Life is rough, make it work anyway.</p>
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